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> wants a "thoughtful discussion" is lying to us

You've obviously broken HN's civility rule here. That's not ok. HN is a big place and the things that seem completely obvious to you may well be quite unclear to someone else. This is one of many reasons why the site guidelines ask everyone to assume good faith. Threads occasionally getting derailed isn't great, of course, but that's a lesser concern than people attacking each other.

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