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"Medicare for All" is a prerequisite for UBI.



I'm actually not sure about that. Many people could spend their share more wisely than if it is thrown into the mouth of healthcare machine.

If healthcare is allowed to eat into UBI it will quickly find a way to consume it completely.


Single payer is _ludicrously_ more efficient at buying everyone healthcare because it can buy in bulk and it can be hard-headed about cost-benefit decisions.

When it's your baby, the idea of paying $50 000 for a 1% chance of not needing to amputate her arm is a snap - of course you'll pay. But the single payer says hold on, that means we're paying an average of $5M per arm saved, arms aren't worth $5M, our tax payers say they're not willing to give us more than $2M per arm, offer the treatment for $20 000 or no deal.

Making people invest in their healthcare _can_ help with some personal care decisions, like whether to take exercise, eat better, maybe give up smoking, people who feel like it costs them money when they're sick are a little more careful in some ways. But a LOT of healthcare spending is unpredictable, so isn't affected by this at all, including very expensive urgent and emergency care. Overall single payer wins out in terms of both how much you spend and outcomes.

A UBI does leave open the question of what you do with the small handful of people studies suggest will not spend their UBI wisely. If you give everybody $300 per week, 999 out of 1000 of them will spend it mostly on food, and shelter, and other useful things. Their priorities might not be my priorities maybe they eat a Big Mac instead of making a healthy salad, but they are behaving wisely by their own standards. But one person out of a thousand will spend it all on lottery tickets, booze or heroin, and then what do we do about that? Leave them to die? Really?


> But one person out of a thousand will spend it all on lottery tickets, booze or heroin, and then what do we do about that? Leave them to die? Really?

What do we with people that sell their food stamps and/or use their existing means tested cash benefits that way?

Is this a problem? Sure, but it's not a new problem with UBI compared to the status quo.


I'm actually not sure. As a matter of fact, I often pay for medicine out of pocket, dentistry especially. It's kind of nice, I can choose the place, be sure that they're interested in me as a client.

I have a coverage from employer, but chose not to use it because I don't trust the institutions enrolled in the program, and they're further from my home. It's all about having more choices. I have also bought coverage for my child, and I'm pretty sure it's much better than anything that comes already paid.

If you have cancer, of course you would want to be taken care of. But if you live a routine life, I don't see how you are benefitting from throwing money at healthcare.

WRT "one of thousands". Water from drink fountains is free. Dumpster diving is free. You won't starve in a week, and by the time next BI payment arrives, they will probably learn something.


Single payer does not mean single provider. In fact, with capitation, incentivizing wellness, providers earn more while improving outcomes while reducing costs (per capita).

It’s all about the incentives. A small detail that gets ignored by the Freedom Market™ zealots.


Still, single payer plans are usually all-you-can-eat buffets. Quality of the produce is not terribly high. And not chosen for your specific needs. And selection is worse than a la carte.


Usually? By which you mean "never"? Single payer is just a more equitable form of rationing. Don't over think this.

The rest I'm going to just ignore.


Platinum thoughts of leftist kids.


Yup. Worked in the healthcare space. Kinda know what I'm talking about. Reality has a well known liberal bias.


>what do we do about that? Leave them to die? Really?

What do we do now? Why does that have to change?




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