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The Mac Won Me Over (feld.com)
38 points by matthewphiong on Aug 3, 2010 | hide | past | favorite | 36 comments



Boy meets new Mac. Boy falls in love with Mac. Boy decides to ditch Windows laptop. +1 Fanboy.

Where's the story here? Because he's a VC this is news?


Thats kinda what I was thinking, but I don't want to be mean, and get voted down. It just feels like another mac love story. we get it, macs just work, fantastic for you. There are plenty of OTHER places on the web for the whole mac addict thing. (Like mac addicts).


It's hard not to like laptop with 500GB SSD.


Agree. His MacBook Pro configuration costs a whopping $3,899.00.


I'd guess his Windows laptop was similarly tricked-out.


I think the writer's point at the end about hardware migration is an undersung point about the Mac experience. Being able to transfer your files, apps, your whole OS configuration experience from your old computer to a new one is painless and has been for quite some time.

I always feel like I need to set aside a day or two when I have to do something similar to a Windows system. Has that improved with Windows 7?


I've never trusted migration tools to work properly in windows or even on my mac for that matter. I keep everything organized on a samba share, map the drive and tweak the registry to point to that drive for the programs and documents I need.


Over the past decade I've used OS X's firewire migration option... (counts on fingers) five times for myself and friends. Four of those times the transfer was flawless and (surprisingly) painless. The one problematic time was because the new machine arrived with bad RAM; although it booted, the new box was for all practical purposes DOA. One warranted replacement later, the migration process worked every bit as well as I'd come to expect.

I think the "app-as-folder" convention and the lack of a central registry are the main contributors to the success of these migrations. "Move this list of folders and files from A to B" is a simple, if tedious, task.

FWIW, I have NOT performed that migration on any machine that had Parallels or VMWare installed; Adobe installs have been the most complicated thing that I've migrated using this utility. If any readers have used the migration on machines containing software (vmware, parallels, etc) that adds kernel extensions, I would be very interested to read the results.


No.


OS X won me over in 2005 (in a way that most Linux software never could, though I certainly gave them a generous chance) and it had a profound effect on how I design software. I hadn't realized just how entrenched I had become in Windows mono-culture. After using OS X I was surprised to learn that my ideas of what good software should be were completely stale and complacent.


I love macs too! Sadly, I like money rather a lot as well, and those two loves conflict strongly.


Apple makes better, prettier, more integrated, etc. laptops. Welcome to 2003.


I was there in 2003 and Exchange, Chrome, iWork etc. mentioned in the post either didn't exist or didn't work.

Didn't bother me, but there's a whole tranche of people that it did. Personally I've moved on to a tiny Samsung netbook with Ubuntu (a market Apple skipped mostly because it's low margin) and much prefer it.


Fair enough. Exchange in particular seems to be a big deal. So maybe this is a nice example of the "halo" effect: people see exchange working on their newfangled iOS devices and realize it will work on Macs, with the added bonus that it's easier to sync those newfangled devices to Macs.

This effect also seems to be working on Apple, not just it's customers: selling mobile devices seems to be making Apple more enterprise friendly, so that they work more seriously on things like Exchange support.


This - it seems like Apple's work on iOS has paid off with perfect integration with Exchange server. This is a welcome thing that OS/X didn't even have before Snow Leopard.


Snow Leopards integration with Exchange is very basic. There is no delegation support, and no ability to access secondary mailboxes which you have permissions on. Hopefully the new Outlook application for Mac which will replace Entourage in the next version of Office will fix these problems later this year.


I've found similar frustrations with the iPad - it works great for basic email and quick replies, but some of the advanced features like message flagging (I use "flag for follow up" all the time to mark messages I need to work on later) are lacking.


I love my new job! Getting ready to switch from a slightly used Lenovo W500 to a Core i5 MBP in the next couple of weeks. Developing enterprisey-apps for Cisco may not be as cool as working at Google, but I love what I'm doing and the new toys are great too.


My feelings for Mac has been mixed, I haven't found it much superior to Win 7 (to warrant the apple tax) and there are things which have annoyed me (e.g. different shortcuts for doing the same thing in chrome vs. firefox. Some apps having a full screen mode, some don't.)

I agree with the author that Exchange and chrome works(though flash causes it to break often) but these work on Windows too, so these are not things I would want to pay extra for.

I haven't found much in the software to pay extra for the Apple experience, if I do buy another Mac it'll probably be due to better hardware than anything else (but I cringe on the thought that I can't upgrade the RAM/hardware myself though the iMac looks really nice on my desk)


I won't attempt to defend iMac-based hardware upgrades apart from RAM, but memory is actually extremely easy to replace. Just FYI. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3918


While the refinements of OS X and the Apple Mac hardware have been big sellers for me, it was ultimately, the combination of a beautiful and intuitive GUI coupled with an underlying Unix system. I know Windows has got Cygwin, it just "isn't the same" though.

My story began with a $200.00 laptop and GNU/Linux. I spent four days installing and configuring GNU/Linux (Ubuntu) on that poor laptop; I should have been more diligent about checking up on hardware compatibility... The roaches were X.org and the f'ing wireless card. This laptop was $200.00 for a reason. It turns out many of the parts inside of it had chipsets from unheard-of Taiwanese companies (this is were diligence would have saved me time and money); therefore, they were largely unsupported or had nasty hacks to work with it.

After four days, I had X.org finally working the way it was supposed to (including the nvidia graphics card binary!) and after wrangling ndiswrapper to the ground, I had a fully functional laptop (shutting the lid didn't sleep it, and X would freak out when I would lift the lid, so not "fully" functional).

Life was good for a little while until Ubuntu came out with an update. I figured a system update couldn't be too bad and went for it after backing up all my data. After that update, X.org stopped working, the wireless card stopped working, and none of my previous steps to get either working worked. I decided to give up on that laptop and reasoned this: OS X has a beautiful GUI, Unix underneath, and everything seems to work "just right". I bought a 13" Black MacBook that day.

Ever since, I have had 0 problems with it. I'm a heavy user of the command-line and compile a lot of software on it; updates don't break things, and Time Machine can rollback anything (not just data) if something does break. That's good software.

Now, I'm not hating on GNU/Linux by any means - this pivotal experience was four years ago and I'm sure a lot has changed since then, not to mention my choice of hardware could have easily moved me in a different direction had I been more fastidious about checking the hardware compatibility lists. From that experience, however, and observing the community as a whole over the last few years, one thing is obvious to me: GNU/Linux isn't meant for the desktop (speaking of everyday users here, not RMS or your sysadmin). OS X is a desktop operating system, Windows is a desktop operating system (I'll never touch windows again, now that I've had Linux and OS X), Haiku (the BeOS fork) is a desktop operating system (for which I have high high hopes).

I currently, probably, do fewer things in the GUI than most OS X users; I use the Visor extension for Terminal, I have a fully customized ZSH shell, and I pretty much live inside of full-screen Emacs - but I do love interfacing with OS X. Fan boy? Not quite, my choice is more of a logical and rational one arrived at by much experience and experimentation; if Haiku gets to a reasonably stable stage, I'm sure to switch to that platform more in support of diversity than any irrational emotional attachment.


Linux sucks because it works poorly with the cheapest, most throwaway hardware you could find? If you're an adult and willing to buy a computer that works out of the box, order a laptop from Zareason, or someone else who will pick working hardware and install Linux for you.


I think the real point here is that each choice has an associated cost. With Linux, it's the extra time necessary to do this sort of research and configuration. You can reduce the headaches associated, but the Linux community doesn't always make that as clear as possible to the customer.

With Apple, instead of the extra time/thought, it's a bit more money to make the purchase. It also doesn't hurt having a single entity doing most of the communication and making sure the customer is happy, by making choices/support relatively simple.

The problem here is that they aren't easy costs to compare, since they are listed in different resources. I think this is why a lot of Apple users say things like "You just need to use it.", since quantifying all the little user experience gains doesn't lend it self well to a comparison of technical specs.


"You just need to use it." Sums up the experience well.


Seriously why is this downmodded and why is the parent popular, comparing a 200$ netbook not designed for linux to the enormously overpriced hardware in a macbook specifically designed for OS X is supposed to be some kind of valid comparison?


I down voted your comment because you missed the point entirely. I did not buy a netbook, it was a laptop; I also didn't compare one to the other, I was relating personal experiences that lead up to my choosing OS X. I did state that I feel Linux is not desktop ready, but that sentiment comes from - not only my experience - but the experience of many.

Matter of fact, I have my girlfriend's netbook (this one was "designed" for GNU/Linux) running GNU/Linux; she hates it. Why? Because when she closes the lid it shuts down. When the battery is about dead, it just kills power, it doesn't gracefully sleep (or even warn her). There are countless other complaints that are completely valid.

That is why GNU/Linux is not ready for the desktop. Sure, I could cope with those issues, but I work in the command line every day and I'm also a programmer.

I will defend GNU/Linux any day for its philosophy, culture, software, and massive influence; but I will not defend it as a desktop operating system, it simply isn't refined enough for that.


The examples you give are more evidence of poor suppliers, setting ubuntu to not shut down when you close the lid is as easy as power preferences -> what to do when you close the lid, ditto for what to do on low power conditions.

Not rocket science.

My girlfriend uses Ubuntu and she's totally fine with it, why? Because I set it up for her and everything "just works", taking the role that would otherwise be taken by the system integrators at Apple.

It's not the Linux core system that's broken, it's the dodgy culture built around rapid and poor attention to detail at the low end of the computer market, and this is what you're expressly comparing Apple's high end offering to.


This is poorly framed and trollish. I never said Linux sucks; I also conceded the fact that my choice in hardware was a poor one and surely contributed to my negative experience.


You pay either way: Either the Apple Tax, or in your time to configure it right. Linux is only free if your time is worthless.


Yeah, that tired old saw. It was right on in 2001.

Windows is only $50-300 if your time is worthless. MacOS only costs $129 if you happen to be fine with buying a laptop that costs twice as much as everything else. Linux is free if you buy a laptop that isn't a total POS or the highest end.

I have had ZERO problems with Ubuntu on a $500 Toshiba I bought two years ago. Everything worked great out of the box, and continues to do so, countless updates and upgrades later. I've had far more issues with Vista on it, actually.

My mother (a total technophobe neophyte) has been using Ubuntu on her laptop for over a year now, and vs. XP, 'support' calls (to me) have dropped by 80%.

That said, I'm actually fine with any OS - Windows Mac or Linux.


> I'm sure a lot has changed since then

Unfortunately no. I have had your experience on two other laptops (each in the $1000 range). In one case, it was a Gateway with wireless and video card issues in linux. In the other case, it was an HP that I decided to update to the latest current Ubuntu, and now I cannot get it to sleep properly -- and it had no issues four releases ago (other than being behind the times). Both laptops work wonderfully with Windows.

It is pretty disheartening because I really enjoy working in the linux environment.


Now, where are the people complaining that they can't install MacOSX properly on their cheapo laptop? Or that [important part from a nameless company in Taiwan] stopped being supported in MacOSX Hyena?

I mean, if Apple were not heavy-handedly preventing people from installing MacOSX on their run-off-the-mill non-Mac notebook, we'd hear similar horror stories, maybe also Vista-like disappointment when people try to install it on an underpowered machine.


> Now, where are the people complaining that they can't install MacOSX properly on their cheapo laptop?

Why would anyone complain about something they are very clearly not supposed to be able to do? It's well understood that OSX only runs on Apple hardware, it is far less clear that you need to be careful with Linux.

Looking at ubuntu.com and going through the download process, the only mention I see of supported hardware is worded as "certified hardware" and placed in the footer under "Partners".


Looking at ubuntu.com and going through the download process, the only mention I see of supported hardware is worded as "certified hardware" and placed in the footer under "Partners".

I don't recall finding an exhaustive list of supported machines for other well known operating systems, either. Typically when purchasing hardware we rely on the manufacturer to indicate which operating systems the hardware works with. It seems wholly unreasonable to hold Ubuntu accountable for not running on a piece of hardware that no-one, including the manufacturer, claims it's compatible with.


I've never installed an update in linux/windows/osx without researching it first for any potential effects it could have... Thats been a rule of thumb I've heard from gurus of back in the day.


Meh, Windows 7 and OS X provide nearly equally usable user interfaces. The new taskbar works fantastically, and looks just as nice as the OS X dockbar. Windows 7 is easy enough to use for the most part, I find nothing harder to configure than it's OS X counter part. I personally like the Apple hardware a lot though.

Now if only Linux had a sane DE. I can't stand GNOME or KDE. Gnome is so inconsistent and hard to configure properly. KDE's defaults for everything and standard widgets (Esp like in preference dialogs in applications) is just atrocious.




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