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I like to think that the bar is actually very low. Like (moderate) people in a neighborhood proposing to maintain more natural-style parks but being held back because a city has to spend much of their time on and needs to CYA against foaming-at-the-mouth environmentalists who will never find anything good enough. Those moderates aren't as invested as the zealots, so they won't push very hard. It's the problem of the silent majority - people who don't really care but wouldn't mind are held back by those the few who are hardcore and don't think small progress is enough right away.

As for concrete plans - I've seen so many, but none of them are 'big' enough to really wow anyone. Small scale renaturalization projects being stopped because they don't provide the right habitat for this particular type of frog or whatever it was so now nothing's done at all and the whole coastline is eroding again (no frogs now either!); a pensioners' hobby group who build wild bee housing but the spots where those were supposed to be put wasn't optimal, so they were moved, demotivating everyone so the whole thing stopped. The 'fruit trees in cities' thing, drowning out those who just want something nicer than what there is now, and would be willing to invest some time or money, but not if it means arguing 50-page reports on why this tree over another. In all cases, probably if there had been someone with enough determination some solution could have been found, sure. What the zealots fail to recognize though is that they're only antagonizing those who would be favorable to a moderate version of their ideas, one that wouldn't cause them too much inconvenience.




These examples you have are insightful, and they remind me of the saying, "the perfect is the enemy of the good." Zealots want the "perfect", and Moderates want the "good."

It does seem to me that you are working with a strong bias against environmentalists, though, and maybe it's because you don't consider yourself one?

I've been thinking a lot about identity, and how a lot of our interpersonal issues comes down to whether or not we see our fellow humans as "same" or "different". ... and I'm starting to understand that the important thing is to evaluate ideas on their own merits, and pay less and less attention to the individual putting forth the idea.

We're already working with a lot of crummy ideas that are in full effect (long dead the individuals having put forth those ideas), and now we have adherents of those ideas roaming about the world quite zealously.

But I don't blame the environmentalist for being an extremist. I think they rightly perceive the situation they find themselves in to be an extreme one. I'm glad they get to tell us about it, and happy when they are able to limit humanity's encroachment on a diminishing wilderness.


Apologies for the glibness, but it sounds like you're a zealot for moderation?


On the meta-level, yes - one could say that I'm moderate on the matter at hand, but a zealot at the first derivative thereof :)

I sense a contrived 'calculus of epistemology' medium post in there... I'm sure it would do great on the upvotes on this site, too.




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