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Nuclear power is discussed a lot as a CO2 friendly option. The huge drawback is that we haven‘t found a way to deal with all the radioactive waste yet.



We never found a way to deal with the radioactive waste that coal plants emit into the air (look it up) or the millions of deaths that coal and petrol/diesel are responsible for, but we still use those.

Per Wiki:

> According to the World Health Organization in 2011, urban outdoor air pollution, from the burning of fossil fuels and biomass is estimated to cause 1.3 million deaths worldwide per year and indoor air pollution from biomass and fossil fuel burning is estimated to cause approximately 2 million premature deaths.[14] In 2013 a team of researchers estimated the number of premature deaths caused by particulate matter in outdoor air pollution as 2.1 million, occurring annually.[4][5]

And see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_accidents#Fatalities

Nuclear is safer and better in every way even if you multiplied all the past disasters by ten. There really is no comparison.

Where to store some icky stuff isn't really a huge drawback, its a political problem because humans have no sense of scale.


> We never found a way to deal with the radioactive waste that coal plants emit into the air

Sure we did. We close them down where ever it's possible. Just like we should do and do with nuclear power plants.

> Nuclear is safer and better in every way even if you multiplied all the past disasters by ten. There really is no comparison.

What a brilliant argument you have there. Oh wait. No it's not. You actually did not bring anything up to counter the problem caused by nuclear plants: nuclear waste. Just some juicy whataboutism.

> its a political problem because humans have no sense of scale.

People have enough sense of scale to realize that the waste will be there forever and while some are safely away from it, others can watch your rusty barrels go to hell and pollute the environment. Funny because John Oliver had a piece about that just last week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwY2E0hjGuU

What's good about that at all?!


That's an incredibly minor problem compared to global warming. I'd solve the more important one first.


It's minor now.

But if it turns out that we'll need an active (as in "needs manpower") care-taking of this waste for several thousands of years, we get into the compounded interests area.

Also, there's the immediate (last 50 years) issues such as barrels of waste being treated in silly manners; e.g. thrown into the ocean near the coast and shot to pieces by air-planes if they surface...

Politicians and corporations will do anything to save money, if they think they'll get away with it. That makes nuclear waste much more dangerous than it should be.

It's not a problem, we'll have clean fusion in 20 years :D /s


You are literally just quoting the most recent John Oliver episode.

There's an interesting rebuttal to his episode here that is worth reading: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/08/24/please-jo...


(1) We have to keep something dangerous deep underground in some remote places, and if something goes wrong, it may leak out and contaminate dozens of kilometers around the spot. Dozens of kilometers.

(2) Every coastal towns, cities, estuaries, and natural preserves will be wiped out within a thousand years. Across the globe. Including entire nations. (Well, to be fair, they will cease to be nations long before that.)

There's really no comparison.

For arguments regarding (2), see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_global_wa...

> A study in 2015 found that assuming cumulative fossil fuel emissions of 10 000 gigatonnes of carbon, the Antarctic Ice Sheet could melt completely over the following millennia, contributing 58 m to global sea-level rise, and 30 m within the first 1000 years.


The waste mismanagement is not unique to nuclear. Check out this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal#Love_Canal_disaster

Out of all wastes to be mismanaged, higher radiation would probably be the easiest to detect - simple detectors are widely available commercially.

Yes, we need ways to store, or recycle - there are ways to do that too - nuclear waste, but that doesn't seem to be an intractable problem, and I don't think this is the main hindrance to the wider spread of the nuclear energetic. Irrational fears of "radiation" and political issues seem to be more prominent there.


> But if it turns out that we'll need an active (as in "needs manpower") care-taking of this waste for several thousands of years

We don't. Dig a shaft half a mile deep in bedrock in a tectonically stable area, and anything you put there will be safe for the next million years.

But that's kind of expensive, so we keep dumping the shit in the ocean or in shallow graves in the backyard.


Yes we have: stick it in a breeder reactor




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