Okay, thanks for the reply. I asked about this benchmark once before (almost a year ago I expect), and was told roughly the same, so I was hoping things had improved by now. I understand it's just a benchmark and you have other things to do, but it does matter to me and I expect others. None of us want to invest a lot of time becoming experts in a new world and then not gain what we hoped. Personally these benchmarks make me think if I'm going to trade dev time for performance I should just use Rocket. That's probably not a reasonable position though. :-) Anyway, thank you for Phoenix, and I will look for opportunities to give it another spin.