Yeah, I find re-frame a little clunky if I'm honest, e.g. extending/intercepting fx is hard, the balance of local ratoms vs global subs/handlers is difficult, there's no real enforcement of layering so you have to work hard to get your subs/events at the right level etc. I dunno, I understand the aims and I use it on a couple of things, I just think it loses the elegance of Reagent without really giving you the scalability of Om. I'd have to spend more time on a few greenfield projects to get a decent picture though.