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It's one thing to be inexperienced. It's entirely another to be this incompetent.


This comment is a pretty good demonstration of the Fundamental Attribution Error.

Remember that time you wrote a badly buggy site or piece of software? Remember how you probably did your best to not write bugs?

Would someone calling you incompetent really have been helpful to anyone at that time?


Where is the line to be drawn? Should the line remain there for everyone even if people vary in endowment in natural ability, opportunity for experience, and access to education?


The line is drawn when you make a site, test it, notice that it runs like a pig, and then think to yourself "You know what, this is fine". There's an obvious difference between an honest mistake and just plain incompetence with a dash of lazy.

I'm all for equal opportunities and whatever, but when the bar gets set too low then we all suffer.


Are you any less incompetent if your genetics don't allow you to be competent? Why would the line move if people vary in endowment in natural ability?


My point is that what qualifies as incompetence is extremely subjective. Saying "this person's work is incompetent", I think, usually amounts to nothing more than "this person made mistakes in their work that turn out to be obvious to me because of the particulars of my circumstances."

Take me for example. I work as a software developer at a company that hires devs who studied computer science or math mostly from lower-ranked ivies and big state schools. I have an idea of what constitutes good code, and most of my coworkers, owing to our common background, either share this idea or soon find their views being molded by our code review process.

When I look at what my more talented classmates are doing who work at Google or an elite startup, I am humbled and a little embarrassed to show them my code. They would consider some of the code that is written in my workplace to be the product of incompetence. When I look at what my liberal arts friends who were hired as web developers are doing at their non-tech companies with only a few months of programming training, I remind myself that I have much more experience than they do and that my response should be to help them as I am able instead of to shame them and adjust the laurels that I rest on.

And there are people better than my talented classmates at Google and Airbnb who would call their code incompetent. And still others more talented than them. Etc. And there are people who write code that is even more poor than my liberal arts friends'. And still others, ... etc.

Not only is the label of incompetence highly subjective, it is also useless at best and injurious to everyone involved at worst. The less-skilled dev learns nothing by being called a name. Giving harsh criticism from an assumed position of superiority can be gratifying in the moment. I know, I am often tempted into it myself. But it is also a missed opportunity for cultivating empathy for your fellow-human, and a missed opportunity to help someone.


> Not only is the label of incompetence highly subjective, it is also useless at best

This just isn't the case. The label of incompetence can give you correct, meaningful answers to questions like

- This person wants me to work with them. Am I likely to get anything out of this?

- If I devote my time to trying to educate/train/help this person, will I see any results from that? Will they end up with any additional knowledge/skills/gain?

- Should I copy this person's work?

- Is there any value in listening to this person's advice or recommendations?

- Can I trust this person to complete an important task for me?


Wow! A whole new low. I never thought I would see it get worse but here it is.

Please tell me we are better than this as a profession.


I'm not sure what here gives you cause for such a cri de coeur.

It would certainly dismay me to see these attitudes taken by an educator. For a working professional with deadlines to meet, they are entirely reasonable, albeit perhaps a bit harsh. But the world can be a bit harsh, too.


> It would certainly dismay me to see these attitudes taken by an educator.

What, to you, is the purpose of a university entrance examination?


Fair question. I hadn't considered that.


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