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Perhaps this is a contributing factor to the insane compensation American CEOs receive?

The new CEO refuses to work for less than the old one, and the company has to offer the new person an incentive to join as CEO.

Couple this to the fact that CEOs are fired more frequently, and you get to the number CEOs are paid now?



Sounds like we have a CEO shortage. We should H1B some over here ASAP.


You sound like you're joking but it's true. There are a shockingly small number of people who are really capable of being a CEO of a large (or even medium sized company) and doing it well. It's an insanely hard job.

And two of the biggest tech CEOs (Sundar Pichai of Google & Satya Nadella of Microsoft) are immigrants.


The people that parrot this line are usually CEO's themselves, or people angling for the job at some point. I am amused about how CEOs take credit for successes but failures are always driven by external factors out of their control.

The reality is that CEOs are as good as their underlings, as they do all the real work and advise the CEO. For that matter, CEOs probably shouldn't be pulling 100x earning multiples compared to their 'normally' paid employees.


People with your line of thinking are usually IC's who discount how difficult leadership is. How do you affect change without having to do everything yourself? That's a valuable skill.


Most people come in to do defined jobs. Most initiatives that are innovative or risky come from below the CEO without CEO's influence. CEO's have little input on day-to-day operations of big companies. Add to it that many companies minimizing both management and CEO pay are among highest performers. Several models include Publix, Costco, Whole Foods, and I recently found Semler.

http://www.freibergs.com/resources/articles/leadership/semco...

Semler is a good example showing the opposite model works in difficult, high-innovation sectors in the worst economy possible with least management possible. Just has to be set up right. On other end, Toyota Production System, Publix, and Whole Foods strategies draw most innovation out of people lower in hierarchy with excellent results. Heavily-managed, hierarchical companies are among the least innovative normally just acquiring companies for it.

So, CEO's should be payed way, way less than they are right now with most senior managers just eliminated in favor of interacting, small teams or divisions. Much of the administrative stuff could similarly be outsourced to lean organizations focusing on that stuff.


"Do this or you're fired" will typically get those below you to produce the change you desire. Not sure how you can put that much value on a skill inherit to a hierarchical organization.

If the organization was flat, then I would concede your point that affecting change without any seniority would be difficult and worth extra compensation. A true leader would need to be persuasive, knowledgeable and visionary.

What you describe as "leadership" is people doing their job.


"Do this or you're fired" will typically get those below you to produce the change you desire.

LOL. If this were true it would be so much easier. But talented employees, who can easily get another job across the street, are more likely to laugh at you then do what you want if you talk to them like that.


"Robert we have to complete this report by Thursday" == "Robert work overtime to complete this report by Thursday, or you will be fired"

So the main skill of a CEO is he can ask nicely?


(We've gotten a bit off topic this deep in the thread. At this point we're really just talking about general management skills which really isn't a big thing for a CEO of any reasonably sized company. That being said....)

Robert: Sorry I can't work late this week. It's my kid's birthday tomorrow.


Boss: "Robert isn't a team player, let's contrive a reason to fire him so we don't have to pay unemployment."


Back in the real world it's not unemployment that you're gonna worry about. It's how much severance you're going to pay him. Somewhere between 1 and 3 months. Which he'll use to take a nice vacation and then easily go get another job whenever he's ready.

And you'll be down a talented employee that's hard to replace.

Nice work!


What's your alternative? "Gee, Robert you have such pretty eyes... please do this report?"

Intelligent, talented people don't fall for that kind of stuff in my experience.


> What's your alternative?

It's trivial really => You do nothing and get the fuck out of the way so Robert can do the job.

Intelligent & Talended people will do the work. They don't need (nor want) a bozo to dictate their every move ;)


You have to create an environment where Robert wants to do it before you even ask him.


Honestly, this sort of non-quantifiable magic reminds me of Office Space.

"I have people skills! I am good with dealing with people can't you understand that! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuu9CpdjIo


> What's your alternative?

A good leader has a good answer to this question!


If Robert is a superstar and he's tactful with his colleagues, then this will never happen.


Good leaders can effect change without resorting to the "do this or you're fired" line. If your manager kept using that line on you, I suspect you'd go find a place that didn't work that way.


People that hero worship CEO's have probably never had to work with any.


> There are a shockingly small number of people who are really capable of being a CEO of a large (or even medium sized company) and doing it well.

How much of this is due to genetics and prenatal environment and how much to education and life experiences? If the former dominates there isn't much we can do for now, but if it's the latter, there's gotta be a massive market for CEO-schools, both public and private.

Personally, I suspect that the limiting factor is social capital--most CEOs get hired because they're known among people connected to the board, and it's hard to get known. I'm not sure what the solution in this case is though, except maybe more residential desegregation by class and ethnicity.


Don't confuse being known with being trusted. One is a prerequisite for the other, but they are not the same thing. It's not so much who you know as it is who trusts you.


That's certainly true. I wonder if there is a way to increase the number of people who are trustworthy and seen as trustworthy in a given social circle?


Going solely off the data I have[0] that seems to be untrue. Do you have some other sources or is this more "common knowledge" from the corporate sector?

[0]https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2837504


Nonsense. It is much more demanding, involving and decisive to be CEO of a small company. In a large company, a CEO is merely a spokesperson for his advisors.


I think the large compensation helps the CEO act on what he/she feels is in the best interest of the company. When you make enough in one year to retire, you can make decisions with a lot more courage.


It all makes sense now. The reason we have wireless iPhone earbuds is because Tim Cook gets paid a lot.


And the new CEO requires an even bigger golden parachute in the likely event of his/her failure.




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