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So if I have to stay in NYC for 3 weeks, I am screwed.

Thanks Cuomo, you just made me have to cough up double the price for a shitty hotel.




When I visited NY recently I found that hotel pricing was competitive with AirBnB.

Some people prefer AirBnB so they can feel like they live in the cities they're visiting, this certainly sucks for them.


> When I visited NY recently I found that hotel pricing was competitive with AirBnB.

This didn't used to be the case, so you can thank Airbnb in part for finding a reasonably priced hotel room.


Indeed!


No it's not. Given equal pricing, I unequivocally prefer hotels.

But hotels in NYC are insanely expensive. Please tell me where I can find a hotel for <$60 a night that is not infested with bedbugs/rats/cockroaches/smoke.


And that's the key, isn't it, "competitive with..." Now the hotels won't have to compete anymore. I think you know what happens next.


Based on the "you can still rent a bedroom" comments, I'm guessing the people commenting here are single and definitely don't have kids.


Exactly what I came here to say. My partner, son and I are looking forward to sleeping in your spare bedroom, and cooking in your non-spare kitchen, as well as setting up a play yard in your non-spare living room.


What you are both alluding to is exactly why the AirBnB model falls apart in most situations. You want your own thing, but you don't want to follow the law and respect others in the building (that have signed contracts in hand disallowing the practice). Every other owner or legal sublet in that building wanted their own thing. That's why they bought a unit or signed a lease.


If you're breaking your contract, that's something to be enforced by your landlord and the courts. Not something you need special laws to forbid.


That's not at all clear. The cost to resolve civil conflicts is something both basic economics and the law factors into regulation all the time.

Further: two very common kinds of contract we're talking about are with the state itself.

The first and most obvious is zoning, wherein the state promises to reserve some piece of land for a specific use, and private entities purchase that land with the expectation that it will only be used that way. It's for this reason that you can't build a hotel anywhere you want.

The second implied contract we have with the state are the codes and regulations governing residences. Long before Airbnb, residency codes had tenancy requirements.

Finally, the law itself has something to say about people who enter into contracts in bad faith, deliberately misrepresenting their intentions or circumstances in order to obtain concessions: we tend to call that "fraud".


That's what I was thinking.


That is not true; you are still free to rent a spare bedroom through services like AirBnB.


Thanks Cuomo, you just made me have to cough up double the price for a shitty hotel.

Those rentals were already illegal under state law. You are aware of this fact, yes?


Well that is unfortunate. The people of NYC should not have to live with many places in their own buildings operating as illegal hotels. Why should New Yorkers have to tolerate illegal hotels with arbitrary guests in such a densely packed city? The residents do not owe people visiting a cheap place to stay. Would you like to have someone different staying in the place literally separated by a wall next to you every day or week?

If it is too expensive you have the option of staying somewhere outside of Manhattan. If not you have to just pay the price of visiting an expensive city and not put the burden on the residents.


> Why should New Yorkers have to tolerate illegal hotels with arbitrary guests in such a densely packed city?

Would you have the same argument if it were just friends inviting friends over every week? If not, why does the money make it different?


I think there's a difference - the presence of a permanent resident discourages a lot of the bad behavior people complain about, and provides for a very clear path to accountability if something does happen.

Anecdotally, my building has had multiple apartments used as "airbnb hotels" over the couple of years that I've lived there, and it's been a fairly consistent source of annoyance. People coming in extremely late at night and not having a clue how to unlock the apartment while causing tons of noise, knocking on my door for assistance, etc.

I am 100% for this regulation - NYC is already an extremely expensive place to live, people renting or buying apartments with the purpose of listing them on airbnb only makes it worse.


> People coming in extremely late at night [...] while causing tons of noise

These are all symptoms that proliferate in dense cities and college towns even without AirBnB. I live in the downtown of a small city, and can't escape late night noise either. But you don't think there's a technological solution to the problem that AirBnB passively enables this?

What if, say, the city had an app that allowed you to report incidents, and then they could investigate and penalize based on reports of bad actors (as current law enforcement works, minus the app) rather than throw out the baby with the bathwater?


Of course people are always going to be loud, the apartment downstairs is going to throw parties that last late late into the night. Totally cool with that.

There's a difference between that and somebody in the hallway in front of my apartment door for 30 minutes loudly carrying a conversation while someone tried to walk them through opening the door at 3am. Or, worse, someone knocking on my door late at night asking to crawl in through my fire escape because they locked themselves out, and having no idea who the super is.

The building owner of my apartment actually just swapped keys for the door of the apartment building with key fobs to cut down on people making copies and using them to Airbnb their apartment, because she doesn't want people renting their apartments.


There is a difference from general noise of a city and having transient people coming in every few days. People that are on vacation might be up later, making noise later or worse there could be criminals coming in. Sure you may have a problematic long term neighbor, or occasionally your neighbor may make more noise, but on average you are going to have many more problems with random strangers staying at an apartment turned flophouse.

It isn't throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Why should taxpayer dollars be spent investigating many cases of these when it is already illegal to advertise illegal rentals. It is much more effective to stop the advertising and payment scheme for these illegal rentals first.

AirBnB can prevent the throwing the baby out with the bathwater if they simply restricted the amount of time and places that can be rented out. But they know they are making a large amount of money from professional illegal hoteliers with many listings that are exclusively used for rentals. They are the ones that got greedy and got the heavy handed response.


Why is it OK to burden one group of people (visitors) but not another (residents)? There's something missing in your argument.


>Why is it OK to burden one group of people (visitors) but not another (residents)? There's something missing in your argument.

Residents get to decide on these matters through elections. Visitors do not get a say.

Do you think that is unreasonable?


Or you could stay in a shared AirBnB.

NYC is tough and expensive in many ways. Seems like they are trying to tackle affordable housing and consequently may also need to look at affordable hotel stays. I remember when I used to do field work in NYC, often for days at a time, and I would drive every day from Philadelphia, my home at the time. Awake at 4am and out the door to avoid getting stuck in traffic and then back down to Philadelphia at 7pm.


Shared BNB's are out of the question, especially if you prefer to cook or have a partner. Extended stay hotels are hundreds per night.


same with me. i can't get a spare bedroom with my wife. and i can't cook at a hotel (which makes our trips to the us less expensive, which allows us to either stay longer or spend more while in town -- and both are great for local business).


Get a hotel in Jersey City. 2/3 the price with slightly worse transportation


Or just stay at a few different airbnbs. Which is annoying, but you get what you pay for.




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