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Ubuntu switches back to Google as default search engine (ubuntu.com)
57 points by mapleoin on April 8, 2010 | hide | past | favorite | 39 comments



Totally called this one:

I don't think it's an accident that this announcement comes far away enough from the next release for there to be time for Google to make them a better offer. Even if that doesn't happen in the next release, this may be Canonical's way of showing their hand.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1079909


Interestingly, there was now "Why?" section to this new note. I'm surprised that Ubuntu has enough of an installed base for Google to have made a counter-offer.

Also, isn't Bing powering Yahoo's search these days anyway?


Based on the amount of people downloading updates, Canonical recently guessed that there are about 12 million Ubuntu users worldwide.


Right - and there's about 350 million Firefox users in all, so that 12 million is <5%, which is what made me wonder.

Via: http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2010/01/21/firefox-3-6-release/


http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2010/04/ubuntu-claims-12-m...

Ubuntu is claiming 12 million users. That's not incredibly big, but it's probably enough to make Google take notice.


I guess it's more then that. They are aware that those few users influence exponentially more users.


I would concur. I certainly hand out a few CDs of every release to interested friends and colleagues. I happened across an anesthesiologist just yesterday playing tunes in the OR with his Hackintosh. Not Ubuntu, but I'm willing to bet he's tried that too. So I think the people who are starting to look seriously into alternative computing is on the rise and in a variety of sectors, not just male college geeks and their friends.


There are millions of people using Linux. A few percentage of desktop users worldwide is not an insignificant number.


no. by end of 2010 (tentative).


I wish they'd hurry up, Yahoo's Slurp is the worst crawler I've seen. The other day it had 113 connections open to one of our sites. Jeff Atwood has also blocked them from StackOverflow because they were taking up a disproportionate amount of bandwidth and generally behaving like tools.

I love flickr, but Yahoo Search needs to die.


MSN is far worse.

On several of my sites, it routinely requests URLs that are 1) blocked in robots.txt and 2) have been 404 for years


> Also, isn't Bing powering Yahoo's search these days anyway?

don't think just yet.


A couple of years ago Ubuntu went to Google asking for a revenue sharing deal, Google refused, even though they had done it many times before. Search was going to be Ubuntu's primary income in the netbook space. At the time Google probably thought they owned search. Its amazing what a little competition will do.

I would love to see Firefox and Safari change their default search to Bing (I would still use Google). Who knows, Google might start getting serious about things like privacy.


Google does a good job with marketing against Apple with "Open", it would do wonders for MS to market against Google with "Privacy".


Why does anyone think Microsoft protects your privacy any better than Google does?

FFS, Google was the ONLY search engine which went to court to protect your searches from collection under COPA: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-146420.html

Microsoft, Yahoo etc just handed their logs over.

Gmail's still the only webmail provider which uses SSL by default.

There are numerous similar cases.

Microsoft can't use "Privacy" to market against Google because they do less to protect your privacy that Google do.

(They could argue "we are less competent than Google are at doing things with the information we also collect, so you are less likely to get freaked out when our services appear to read your mind". However, I'm unconvinced that lack-of-competence is a winning marketing strategy. But hey.. it seems to be working for Sarah Palin, so what do I know...)


I think this is a game of 'what if'.

If providing tools to manage privacy gave MS an advantage, I could imagine there's at least a possibility they might supply them.


If I were Microsoft or even better Yahoo! I'd back up a large dump truck full of cash to entice Firefox to switch the default engine. They prob would never take it, but you never know.


But Firefox (Mozilla foundation) make around $100 million a year from Google already.


This makes a whole lot of sense. You can;t really ask for money from Google to keep them as the default search provider unless you're willing to change search providers.


Why Bing and not DuckDuckGo? It is an excellent search engine, in many cases it has much better search results, and it logs no IP addresses.


Probably because your average guy or gal (the people Ubuntu would want to reach out to the most) have ever even heard of it.


It's not like they've heard of Bing either. And, isn't that the point?


Maybe it's just the Chicago market, but I can't make a single trip in my car without hearing a Bing radio ad. I'm pretty sure they're laying out a fair amount of marketing cash.

As another statistically irrelevant point, my mom who believes doing anything on the computer is "downloading" has started using Bing.


No... because DuckDuckGo can't afford to pay them.

The announcement omits the part that Google is paying them for the spot on default search.


I was wondering why they chose to switch to Yahoo in the first place. The answer is at [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2010-Januar...]:

"I am pursuing this change because Canonical has negotiated a revenue sharing deal with Yahoo! and this revenue will help Canonical to provide developers and resources to continue the open development of Ubuntu and the Ubuntu Platform."


It seems, in the end, Google offered a sweeter deal.


http://duckduckgo.com would have been a much better choice!


yeah, they could've paid Canonical in duck feathers.


Or just put it on their bill.


This looks like a sock puppet account astroturfing for duckduckgo. I wouldn't expect them to resort to tactics like that.


There are technologies awesome enough for people to want to evangelize for them.

DuckDuckGo is one of them--it doesn't need sock puppets.


But it does seem a bit odd that the only participation in HN by this user has been posting comments praising DuckDuckGo!


No, its not me.


Search engine is a competitive market, Pure astroturfing would not work if they are not truly awesome.

I myself appreciate this "advertisement" and will give it a try, but if the search sucks, it's easy enough to switch back.


Now they just need to replace Firefox with Chrome as the default browser.


Let’s recap why they first changed from Google to Yahoo!: "factors such as user experience, user preferences", really? Since when did Yahoo had better user anything than Google?????


The page seems to give no real reason. I wonder what happened to transparency in open source.


Nothing. It's right there in the code base.

This was a business decision by Canonical. I too would have liked to have seen an explanation as to why the change was made but at the end of the day, it's the code and not the organisation that's open source.


It was ridiculous to ship Ubuntu with a default search engine that basically is or will be powered by windows when the superior alternative is powered by Linux, but I suppose the bluff worked.




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