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A CA is just some bytes, not a service. And it has been established that there's a backup login path: use (a copy of) the CA outside of the automated certificate signing service to manually sign the needed certificates.

They'd be screwed if they lost the CA's private key, but it is much easer to keep some data around than to keep a service functioning properly.




You're mistaking the CA certificate (i.e. the certificate that signs the login certificate) for the signing process itself.

In the scheme described, users don't log into servers with the CA's certificate and private key -- the CA's private key is always protected, preferably in an HSM of some sort. Instead, the CA issues a signed certificate to the user with a set of principals; and that latter certificate is the one used to log in.

So, the process that issues certificates (the "Authority", as opposed to the "Authority Certificate") is the one I'm concerned with here.


No I'm not.

>If things go south really really bad, we can just get the private key and sign certificates by hand.

Very clearly states that someone has access to the CA cert's private key outside the context of the automated signing service, and can use it to manually sign certs for users if the CA service is down. So the CA service can be bypassed if it goes down,.


OK, so now you're dependent on the person, who might be unreachable during an emergency.

My point is that you cannot eliminate all dependencies. And if I must have dependencies, I'd rather put my trust in a well-engineered, time-tested, highly-available system. When properly implemented, LDAP + SSSD is such a system.

At any rate, an even faster and more reliable emergency response system would be to place a static user ID and password in a lockbox (virtual or physical) somewhere and use that to log in. You don't need a complex CA infrastructure to attain that; NSS fallbacks to static /etc files would suffice.




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