Regurgitated nonsense that cannot be considered anything other than dogma. From the last post alone it shows that you know absolutely nothing about China.
> but what exactly did they accomplish within those 5000 years? Not much.
Maybe they don't sound like much to you, but the invention of gunpowder, papermaking, printing, the compass, mechanical clock, iron and steel smelting, etc were major inventions at the time.
> 95% of our technological jumps and innovation throughout history have happened within the last 100 years.
Where did you get this percentage from? How do you compare technological jumps and innovation of the last 100 years to the ones that happened in the Tang dynasty or even the Roman Empire?
> They have 1 billion people
1.38 billion people. That is 1 billion people plus the US population. Not a small difference.
> Everything has to be government approved
> Go through miles of bureaucracy (or straight up corruption/bribes)
It's a bit more nuanced and dynamic than that. For example, it takes 5 days to register a business online as a foreigner in Beijing now. Over a year ago it could take anywhere between 1 month to a year. Things change fast.
> China ranks 100th on the corruption index released by transparency.org
In the West we are obsessed with China's corruption, pollution, inequality, etc. However we forget that India, is more corrupt, more polluted and more unequal than China. Not that these are a huge problem in China. China is changing quicker than any country in the world, it has a long-term view and most of these, to but it bluntly, racist stereotypes, are changing rapidly. When you look at China you cannot look at it with a fixed mindset.
> their society isn't set up for individuality and creativity
To paint 1.38 billion people as the same is ridiculous. Post 80s/90s are nothing like their parents and grandparents. Post 00s are another order of magnitude different.
> But what comes out of China? What product, computer program or device is China known for?
It has only been 40 years ago since around 90% of China's population lived in poverty as peasants in the countryside. How can you expect a country to innovate and create such products when this was only 40 years ago? Give it time
> Regurgitated nonsense that cannot be considered anything other than dogma.
It's a simple statement of fact with minimal subjective opinion on my part, as evidenced by the fact that you babble a gamut of excuses instead of answering my questions. Let's see:
> gunpowder, papermaking, printing, the compass, mechanical clock, iron and steel smelting, etc were major inventions at the time.
A drop in the ocean. I can list similar revolutionary inventions by just about any culture. Again, if after 5000+ years, that's all China can brag about, I wouldn't be bragging. A truly intellectual country, a country where people are free to pursue their own creativity/interests without fear of taboo or censorship can produce orders of magnitude more innovation. See: 1700s-1900s USA. How this is even arguable is beyond me.
> Where did you get this percentage from? How do you compare technological jumps and innovation of the last 100 years to the ones that happened in the Tang dynasty or even the Roman Empire?
Another non-arguable point. No matter what objective metric you want to use, the 1900s-2000s will win out. Nobody debates it, not scientists, not historians, nobody. You're deluding yourself if you can't even concede that point, and are probably more brainwashed then I originally believed.
> In the West we are obsessed with China's corruption, pollution, inequality, etc. However we forget that India, is more corrupt, more polluted and more unequal than China.
India isn't bullying its neighbors, engaging in imperialism, building military bases outside its borders, nor is it the second largest economy which is continuing to grow. Your attempt at a deflection is exactly that; a deflection. A poor one at that. India doesn't pollute as much as China, it pollutes 4 times less in fact. And India is LESS corrupt than China. See here: https://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results
> To paint 1.38 billion people as the same is ridiculous.
You misunderstood my point. It's the government I am painting. The government has total control. Its controls has lead to China's current culture. I'm not pointing at the people, I'm pointing at the government.
> It has only been 40 years ago since around 90% of China's population lived in poverty as peasants in the countryside. How can you expect a country to innovate and create such products when this was only 40 years ago? Give it time
What about all the other countries who have no problem with innovating despite having less than a fraction of the wealth, GDP, and people as China? S. Korea was in a WORSE position than China, but look at it now. Innovation coming out the yinyang.
I guess my overall point here is that capitalism >>> communism. Don't get me wrong, I'm not lumping socialism in with communism -- I actually prefer a social democracy. A capitalistic economy/system with extremely strong social safety nets (like universal healthcare, gauranteed income, etc). I just don't like China's absolute control it has and I believe it will eventually be their downfall. When someone has total control, they're bound to make a mistake. We are, after all, human. We're fallible creatures by nature.
> but what exactly did they accomplish within those 5000 years? Not much.
Maybe they don't sound like much to you, but the invention of gunpowder, papermaking, printing, the compass, mechanical clock, iron and steel smelting, etc were major inventions at the time.
> 95% of our technological jumps and innovation throughout history have happened within the last 100 years.
Where did you get this percentage from? How do you compare technological jumps and innovation of the last 100 years to the ones that happened in the Tang dynasty or even the Roman Empire?
> They have 1 billion people
1.38 billion people. That is 1 billion people plus the US population. Not a small difference.
> Everything has to be government approved > Go through miles of bureaucracy (or straight up corruption/bribes)
It's a bit more nuanced and dynamic than that. For example, it takes 5 days to register a business online as a foreigner in Beijing now. Over a year ago it could take anywhere between 1 month to a year. Things change fast.
> China ranks 100th on the corruption index released by transparency.org
In the West we are obsessed with China's corruption, pollution, inequality, etc. However we forget that India, is more corrupt, more polluted and more unequal than China. Not that these are a huge problem in China. China is changing quicker than any country in the world, it has a long-term view and most of these, to but it bluntly, racist stereotypes, are changing rapidly. When you look at China you cannot look at it with a fixed mindset.
> their society isn't set up for individuality and creativity
To paint 1.38 billion people as the same is ridiculous. Post 80s/90s are nothing like their parents and grandparents. Post 00s are another order of magnitude different.
> But what comes out of China? What product, computer program or device is China known for?
It has only been 40 years ago since around 90% of China's population lived in poverty as peasants in the countryside. How can you expect a country to innovate and create such products when this was only 40 years ago? Give it time