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Both are subpar (and osx or whatever Apple call their offering is no better).

I've been stuck in an update hell with windows where security updates simply would not install the only solution I could find was a full re-install. I've been in a similar situation with Ubuntu and was able to fix it - but only because I understood it - otherwise I would have had to do a re-install.

The key with Ubuntu updates is to stick to LTS versions and to do a clean re-install (keeping /home as a separate partition makes this painless).

Both have rubbish audio systems. Windows breaks on my laptop every few suspend resumes (fixed by restart). Ubuntu every few months (fixed by restart).

At this point I'm disappointed by every system I use.




OS X 10.11 broke USB support on Macs.

USB used to just work. Now it stops working after you connect ten or so devices - which is not a common thing, but not unusual in music studios. And external USB hubs only work if they have a specific generic name in the firmware ID.

Apparently if you hack your own kexts you can get it working again, kind of.

>At this point I'm disappointed by every system I use.

This. The Win 10 situation is beyond horrific. I would never have imagined that MS would set itself up for a class action suit like this. I know people who have had their PCs trashed by this forced upgrade, and they're really not happy about it.

But the alternatives are not great. Linux and OS X are both in similar "kind of works, mostly, except when not" states.

Consumer OS reliability and design has become an embarrassment for the entire industry.


At least, as of a few years ago, Apple figured out that incremental updates are not such a bad thing. There is only so much “damage” they can do with an update; and although they do screw up stuff, you can at least figure out what happened.

Where do you start though when W10 changes the entire damned UI, replaces a bunch of apps, moves stuff around, creates two versions of some control panels, etc.? That is just a special level of “don’t give a crap” that is embarrassing for any company making billions of dollars.


That reminds me of another one... (Ubuntu htpc) I can "shut-down" and the remote startup works, but if it actually goes into suspend, I have to hit the actual power button in the cabinet. And more often than not the audio is broken on resume from suspend and I have to completely shut down to fix it (reboot doesn't work)... this is with a core i3-5010u, which is a relatively common intel audio chipset.

I agree there are aspects of every OS that I don't like... I just wouldn't single out Windows (again other than privacy) as particularly bad on updates... updating my mbp to el capitan took a wipe as the upgrade broke half way through.

TIP: Never update when you're tethered to your phone on vacation, always update a week before leaving for vacation by the way. lol


Remote startup and wakeup is actually handled by firmware of your mainboard. (or Intel ME) Ubuntu cannot fix hardware problems most of the time.

Drivers still breaking in S3 is often a result of lack of Windows driver workarounds for this case. And Ubuntu using slightly outdated kernel versions.


Considering it's Intel hardware (nuc), I'm not sure what the point is, since Intel tends to have some of the best Linux support. In any case, shouldn't linux receive a signal that it's recovered from sleep and that should allow it to re-initialize problem hardware/drivers?

I keep running it, my point was that it's not exactly rosey with Linux all of the time either.


I work with hardware devs who work with Intel NUCs professionally (I do software). The NUCs have some really crazy firmware/hardware bugs. In fact, just yesterday I had to suggest to them to get the OS (Linux) to power cycle a hung hardware, and they said "Yeah ... the PMIC doesn't shut off power to that bus, the only way is to shut down the entire system. We asked Intel, that's what they said."


Interesting that you claim that OS X is not better when you are not even sure about the name…


It could be that fdgdasfadsf's point was a sarcastic observation about the upcoming switch of the name from 'Mac OS' [0] to 'macOS'.

[0] Or 'OS X', which, technically, is just the tenth version of Mac OS rather than an OS name in its own right (despite what I think is the fact that most people think of it as the latter).




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