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I wrote a post a few years ago about agents (https://jobtipsforgeeks.com/2012/09/17/disrupt/) and actually had some people from HN approach me to see if I'd started that service. At the time I hadn't but I'm reconsidering this right now.

I wrote the article in response to the incentives for recruiters being typically seen as driven by the client (hiring firm). The main issue is that recruiters are paid by hiring firms, and agents would be paid by the employee/new hire.

Job seekers seem less likely to pay for a service like this (negotiation). I've provided coaching to many, which usually includes mostly job search and resume advice, and may end with negotiation advice, but I'm typically not approached just for the sake of negotiation help.

Maybe I should advertise that as a separate service.




In my experience, the problem is that those most in need of such a service are those who are least likely to use it.

In my peer group, there are some developers who treat their employment like a business and negotiate aggressively. They read up on tactics and practice them. I'm not sure agents would actually be that helpful to such people.

Another whole group basically acts like they're paid "enough" and don't negotiate at all. They're unlikely to see the utility in professional negotiators since they're not even willing to read up on tactics themselves.


I see these things too. Most developers believe they are much smarter than the average recruiter (which is certainly true) and probably think they can negotiate at least as well with even minimal training or reading. It's a matter of convincing a smart developer that the negotiation will likely provide a better result than would have happened without the assistance, and for a price that seems both fair and reasonable when compared to the amount negotiated.


You should align fee structures.

I tell you what I think I can get out of an employer. If you think you can get more, you take me on as a client and receive x% of the additional amount.


I like that idea, and I definitely would like to see an element of incentive like your model includes, but I imagine I'd also spend a fair amount of time either (a) saying no to people with unrealistic expectations or (b) trying to manage expectations down for those I'd consider overly optimistic, which could be perceived as opportunistic. It's tricky.


If you think most people's expectations aren't reasonable, then maybe your service isn't needed. Isn't your whole thesis that lots of engineers are getting less than their worth due to their inferior negotiation skills?


By "fair amount" of time, I wasn't trying to imply "most". I think at least a slight majority of the population have fairly reasonable expectations based on my years of experience. For them to be a client though (based on your pricing model), their expectations have to be reasonable and a bit lower than market or unreasonably low. Reasonable and a bit high doesn't work.

A small percentage tend to have expectations far below market.

There are thousands of engineers getting less than they could be getting if they had better negotiating skills, better marketing skills, and better information.

The number of underpaid engineers doesn't need to be anywhere near a majority for the service to be a good business opportunity, or needed. There are plenty of engineers that could use the help - the question is whether or not they'd seek it out.


Fair enough. Maybe you could have an automated screening process to calibrate expectations?


That would be a complicated algorithm. Market rates are tricky.


Personally, I would be interested in this service when I am job hunting.

Having a trusted third party between myself and the prospective employer would help shift the power dynamic significantly.

Also having a trained negotiator would take a lot of stress off of me.

Any thoughts on a rough price range you would look for to provide this sort of service?


A pure hourly rate would seem easy to figure, but I dislike that there is no financial incentive for the negotiator to actually get results. The ideal situation would be for the negotiator to also benefit financially from the result, as he/she would likely be more inclined to push a bit harder.

Perhaps a combination of an hourly rate and either (a) % of salary - which would be very small I assume or (b) % of difference between initial offer and final offer - which would be larger than the percentage in a.

I'd have to think about it, but in the short-term I'd charge my standard hourly coach/consult rate to job seekers which is currently $60/hr.




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