> So which other DE on GNU/Linux does provide the same tooling and platform abstractions as KDevelop/Qt Creator do?

Same or similar? It doesn't matter what they provide because I'd go with ScalaFX(http://www.scalafx.org/) + IntelliJ or Vala|Genie + Vala IDE. Mono is also an option if you're into it.

> but it is stuck in C + POSIX as technology stack in what concerns developer experience.

Yes, GTK isn't the newest but it isn't hard at all to develop apps with Vala/Genie(https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Vala/GTKSample , https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Genie/GtkGuiTutorial ?)

> Vala is still not there and I don't believe in JavaScript for native UIs.

What do you mean? Vala is almost the defacto standard language for ubuntu/gnome apps.

ScalaFX(http://www.scalafx.org/) + IntelliJ and Mono are not exposing any GNU/Linux specific feature.

I can use the same toolchain in many other operating systems.

The last time I bothered to check GNOME, there was some ongoing discussion of JavaScript becoming the official language to pair with C.

Just checked Genie and Vala IDE web sites, they still need to do catch up with what Borland was doing in the 90's, let alone modern IDEs.

> You wanted to develop desktop apps, not gnome plugins, right?

Desktop apps that expose the features that make the platform unique.

> If you want RAD there's Glade(https://glade.gnome.org/) + GtkBuilder.

Not even close to Delphi and C++ Builder and we are talking about 90's here.

If I upgame to Blend + VS, XCode + Playgrounds, Android Studio then there is a lot of catch up to do.

@woflgke you're going off on a tangent: it's about the maturity of tools and not about "exposing" system features. That's unrelated to desktop apps.

No @woflgke is quite right.

Software development stack for desktop apps are all about exposing the features that make a platform desired to be used.

pjmlp asked:

> So which other DE on GNU/Linux does provide the same tooling and platform abstractions as KDevelop/Qt Creator do?

You answered:

> Why would you need specific features? You wanted to develop desktop apps, not gnome plugins, right?

Clearly KDevelop and At Creator expose GNU/Linux specific feature.