>As already mentioned, there's already a setting for turning off notifications globally
That's good, but might be too blunt a hammer. What should be is a standard way to turn them on/off per individual site, WITHOUT unsolicited popups.
>Having a web feature off by default is essentially damning it to not exist, so that's a non-starter.
As an IT teacher in a past life I've seen 10 year old kids go through 10 layers of obscure program settings to enable a particular behavior / proxy their way out of a school network / etc.
If people care enough for notifications, they will find a way to enable them. If they don't, no harm done.
> If people care enough for notifications, they will find a way to enable them. If they don't, no harm done.
If people don't care enough about notifications, they will find a way to disable them. If they don't, no harm done.
I appreciate that you have your own preference on this matter, but do you really think that most people don't like notifications? Most people want them.
>I appreciate that you have your own preference on this matter, but do you really think that most people don't like notifications? Most people want them.
A source for that?
What's a fact is that all people didn't had them for the first 15+ years of the web, and I've never heard people complaining about that lack -- whereas people always asked for faster loading websites, less popups, no auto-play for sound and videos, ability to turn off ads, etc.
Notifications are necessary for many applications, they are not for traditional websites although sadly that doesn't stop them from requesting permission. Imo the notification feature really should require at least https, like many other intended-for-applications browser features like service worker and location. On mobile you could replace most native apps (twitter, facebook, mail etc) with a web app if they supported notifications and save gigabytes of space for stuff that actually needs to be native.
Most people don't. Most people are annoyed by their browser bugging them to make decisions for things they don't care about or need. Notifications from browsers or web pages is clearly a poor fit, UX wise.
In this thread, most people calling for deny to be the default state for notifications are being downvoted, while people defending the default of "ask" are being upvoted. Do you consider this sufficient evidence?
Absolutely not. This is an echo chamber of people interested in technology and startups. To extrapolate out to the broader entire web user audience is a massive logical fallacy. I would hope that's obvious to almost anyone.
When you visit an SSL encrypted website a little lock icon appears. It used to be when you visited a site with an RSS feed a little RSS icon would light up. I see no reason why notifications shouldn't be exactly the same. Give some ambient/unobtrusive notification of the capability. Don't force me to stop what I'm doing and make some decision for something completely orthogonal to what I'm currently doing.
That's good, but might be too blunt a hammer. What should be is a standard way to turn them on/off per individual site, WITHOUT unsolicited popups.
>Having a web feature off by default is essentially damning it to not exist, so that's a non-starter.
As an IT teacher in a past life I've seen 10 year old kids go through 10 layers of obscure program settings to enable a particular behavior / proxy their way out of a school network / etc.
If people care enough for notifications, they will find a way to enable them. If they don't, no harm done.