When those IDEs are able to achieve what was possible in Xerox PARC workstations, as demoed occasionally by Bret Victor, then we can talk about moving forward.
> PDP-11 command line experience is not even there.
Are you saying the modern unix command line is not as good/better than the "PDP-11 command line experience"?
Also, which PDP-11 command line? RSTS? RT11? Unix? or maybe that awesome front panel where you had to manually input your boot loader in binary every time you started the machine?
> Are you saying the modern unix command line is not as good/better than the "PDP-11 command line experience"?
No, I am saying that it isn't even close to the Xerox PARC REPL experience from Interlisp-D, Mesa/Cedar and Smalltalk environments.
> Also, which PDP-11 command line? RSTS? RT11? Unix? or maybe that awesome front panel where you had to manually input your boot loader in binary every time you started the machine?
The VT-100 interface some people seem to keep living on.
PDP-11 command line experience is not even there.