Aside from "American kiddos that cannot accept their great US ever loosing ever.", is there anyone that considers the Vietnam War as a victory for the US ? It was hands down the biggest military failure of this century for the US.
Also, as a french, I'm contractually obligated to do this:
We warned you guys, we told you this wasn't going to work out, we tried :^)
Yes, it was a victory for the US. The objective was telling any country in the world "look, this happens if you side with the wrong guys, that is, not us". Saying "we lost" while ignoring the millions of vietnamese dead, civilian and military, north and south, the millions of wounded, the forests and infrastructure destroyed, the consequences of that war today (Agent Orange, unexploded bombs), is an exercise of imagination that baffles me. A victory for the US would be what, the same destruction plus a parade of US forces in Hanoi?
>look, this happens if you side with the wrong guys, that is, not us
So if you side with the wrong guy, you force the world's biggest army to get in, wave it's dick around then force it withdraw and manage to establish a communist regime anyways ? Ho Chi Minh would consider that a pretty good deal.
>north and south
You do know the US was fighting WITH the South Vietnamese army, right?
>the forests and infrastructure destroyed, the consequences of that war today (Agent Orange, unexploded bombs),
A war happening in your country does that. It's not particularly special. We've had this little thing take place around here called World War I & II. The marks still exist, we find unexploded bombs rather regularly. It tends to happen when you bring explosives and various kinds of weapons and shoot them around. Are antipersonnel mines OK in your book too?
But hey, if you're happy that civilians died by the thousands (you know, that thing that almost every single country on the globe has agreed to not kill in the case of a war) as an example, that chemical weapons were used against populations and that hundreds of war crimes were commited in the name of "look, this happens if you side with the wrong guys, that is, not us", good for you. Muh freedom.
In the mean time, every single source I can find, the history I learned puts the US as the loser.
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As an aside, our set of people who think the Vietnam was was a victory is now {"American kiddos that cannot accept their great US ever loosing ever.", mmustapic}
Ho Chi Minh's successes against the French and then the US stirred a wave of anticolonialism across the globe. If you're arguing "domino theory!" as a political win (which is questionable anyway), then you should also account for the rise of many NATO-hostile nations from anticolonialism as well.
However, since you apparently think that death count is the only thing that matters, that must mean that the South won the US civil war, since the North lost more lives.
I must say though, it is disturbing that you count civilian dead in the South as being a point towards US victory, given that the US involvement was supposed to be defending those people.
Also, as a french, I'm contractually obligated to do this:
We warned you guys, we told you this wasn't going to work out, we tried :^)