Panorama, Thunderbird and FirefoxOS were an important part of my technological ecosystem
They weren't an important part, or achieving being a part at all, of the ecosystem of the rest of the world, though. Not sure why you think continuing to pour resources into them after they were clearly lost causes is somehow a good idea, let alone it makes Mozilla hypocritical. Aside from the "me me me me it's all about me" syndrome that oozes from your statement.
On the contrary, Web Push is an important feature needed for parity with native apps, so Firefox supporting them is a great result.
Thunderbird has an estimated ~30 million users, and it's just about "me"?
Also, you deliberately deflect the point.
The problem was not so much that they killed these projects, but the way they did it.
They kept Thunderbird underfunded for a while before pulling the plug via an internal mail.
They could have done it in a much nicer and transparent way.
Probably the best is to go back reading how well Pocket furthered Mozilla's mission and helped the web.
They kept Thunderbird underfunded for a while before pulling the plug via an internal mail.
Not sure what "underfunded" means here. Thunderbird works. Email isn't evolving like the web is, so what point is there for Mozilla to throw resources at it? The announcement was to a public blog, but shared with the core contributors via email first. I think that's actually nicer than finding out through Twitter like some other companies do. Your arguments just have no merit whatsoever but apparently you're upset that your pet (and niche) programs don't receive the attention you believe they deserve.
Typical attitude in open source software: the more free something is, the more entitled people feel about it.
What this has to do with Push Notifications is anybodies guess.
> Thunderbird works. Email isn't evolving like the web is, so what point is there for Mozilla to throw resources at it?
Not related to the topic at hand, but I couldn't resist commenting on this point. Actually, what people really wanted out of Thunderbird for a very very very long time was calendaring that would work well with MS Exchange. Not some chat integration or other features people weren't really looking forward to in their email client.
People have managed and do manage with different solutions on the Lightning backend (which was integrated into Thunderbird main) like DavMail gateway, Exchange Provider (now maintained by Ericsson) and so on, but they're still not complete solutions for inviting people, accept/tentatively accept/decline invitations, have acceptance show up for other people properly (like Outlook would), etc. This is one area that could improve a lot and really make people using Thunderbird in an MS Exchange environment (which is at least a few hundred thousand, if not more) quit hanging on to Outlook or Outlook Web Access for "that one thing" that Thunderbird is not adequate for. All this desire does not mean that it's trivial in any way to implement these features, but there are many Thunderbird users who would value such a thing a lot. If that doesn't answer "what point is there for Mozilla to throw resources at it?", then nothing else can.
Another area of improvement is search. When Gloda (the global database and search) was introduced, it was a terrific feature that could look across all emails. I still use it, but sadly, it continues to be highly limited in how one can filter the search results and find the needle in the haystack, and things have not gotten much better with time, in my experience.
Yes, Outlook won in the enterprise. But there was no reason not to continue working on a really good alternative with so many users behind it.
As I've said before, if there were a way to donate to Mozilla and have a say in where that donation (or most of it) goes, I'd definitely be voting for Thunderbird to have my share. I'd like to believe many Thunderbird fans would too.
> Not sure what "underfunded" means here. Thunderbird works. Email isn't evolving like the web is, so what point is
there for Mozilla to throw resources at it?
If you look at the arguments people can give against a switch Thunderbird, they make valid points on some lacking features, that terrible solutions like Outlook do have. This is a problem since in some places they force people to use proprietary solutions for email based on these arguments.
>Typical attitude in open source software: the more free something is, the more entitled people feel about it.
Can you really make that judgment?
Many people have felt the same way about Mozilla's actions for a while.
People who donate and contribute to free software.
People who may have found inexcusable the lies about the money agreement on Pocket, among many other things.
If you think these people are all spoiled brats, then good for you.
>What this has to do with Push Notifications is anybodies guess.
The initial comment was using this to justify that "Mozilla does remember their values".
This is part of browsers improvements to stay competitive, not so much about value.
They weren't an important part, or achieving being a part at all, of the ecosystem of the rest of the world, though. Not sure why you think continuing to pour resources into them after they were clearly lost causes is somehow a good idea, let alone it makes Mozilla hypocritical. Aside from the "me me me me it's all about me" syndrome that oozes from your statement.
On the contrary, Web Push is an important feature needed for parity with native apps, so Firefox supporting them is a great result.