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[dupe] Material Design Lite (getmdl.io)
105 points by lobo_tuerto on Aug 19, 2015 | hide | past | favorite | 37 comments



Honest question: why would you want to use this? Material design is intended for Android native apps isn't it?

It strikes me as a strange idea:

- Material design uses lots of UI idioms that work well for an OS (user will learn them), but not so well for a website (that needs to be instantly usable on first use, or user will leave for a competitor). The overflow icon (three vertical dots) is one example.

- Material design is the Google "branded" look and feel. No sane web business would want to give up their own look and feel. It even strikes me as a weird choice for @minimaxir's personal blog. If you're going to skin your site with another brand's look and feel, why not Uber? Amazon? etc?

- It's never going to feel quite right. Uncanny valley between native app and website.


Actually no, material design is suppose to unify design for the web and native apps.

Many Google properties on the web are Material Design now (Play Music, Google Photos, Google Plus...


And generally have really awful experiences on both desktop and mobile.

On desktop there is tons of wasted space, key actions are generally hidden behind pointless hidden menus or silly + buttons that do multiple things even though there's loads of space to fit multiple buttons. Google Drive, Sheets, etc. are total jokes now. And I personally find Google play music is an incredibly bad user experience now for my habits. I like listening to my thumbs up playlist (unnecessarily hidden behind a slide out menu) and I like seeing my shuffle playlist (hidden behind a button that opens an idiotic floating modal).

On mobile, everything is too spaced out so you can only see 5 out of the 50 things you might need to actually see. A perfect example is the calendar which is an unusable joke compared to the old one. Another good example is the new clock app where the alarms only show 3, and the timers are bizarrely stacked with only a tiny indicator showing there are multiple timers running.

Material is a tablet design paradigm masquerading as a total solution.


I went to go add a new spreadsheet to Google Sheets and it took me at least thirty seconds to find the big + button in the bottom right. It makes sense (sort of) on my phone where my eyes can see the whole screen but on a monitor I literally had to scan the whole page before finding the button (the bottom right corner is the last place I would look for something like that!)


Who knows what they were thinking when they thought that putting it down there would be a good idea.

I personally have zero respect for Material, I think it's a complete joke. Their previous redesign, as fractured as it was, was better thought out than this not-at-all-responsive 'responsive' design.


Material has nice animations and transitions, but is a catastrophe of UX. Just look at [design.google.com](https://design.google.com/).


I don't actually like the animations either, quite a few are really, really bad. Fucking idiotic in fact, and I'm not saying that lightly.

The click/tap ones are the worst offenders. Why is the animation of the button dependant on where I click the button? Because it's an uneven animation my mind immediately gets drawn to it and thinks "Woah, what just happened there, did something go wrong? What was that".

And so after having done a simple action I spend a second or two with my mind replaying what just happened to try and figure out if something's wrong or not. And it still happens today, even though I know about it and I use several interfaces with Material design extensively. Because it's not consistent.

It's literally the opposite of what an animation should be. It's incredibly intrusive and unsettling instead of being subtle but reassuring you that your desired action happened.


I haven't used much Material in real life, but that's what I suspected: animations are nice, not functional.


I have to agree-MD isn't "off" by a whole lot but just enough to hinder the user experience. In particular, headers and topbars are oversized beyond what's reasonable, margins are excessive in content elements, and ironically this combination makes interfaces feel very boxed-in AND with poor data density on top of that...


So if it's basically just for Google owned sites then why are the rest of us meant to be interested in this?


It is not only intended for mobile. Check out https://developers.google.com/ for what I think is a great use of material design. I agree that using it in your site may be somewhat Google branding of your site though.



>Honest question: why would you want to use this? Material design is intended for Android native apps isn't it?

Material Design aims to be a design language for any form factor, including the desktop. Some Google properties on the web have already started moving to a more 'material-esque' design, like Photos or Drive. The reasoning is that some metaphors can be borrowed so there is a much familiarity as possible when discovering the same app on another form factor. Material is not supposed to be uniquely Google branded but Google might have dropped the ball here when they decided to use it on their iOS apps as well. Their justification is that most many material elements have been used in iOS apps before,which is true, but they might have wanted to find a middle point instead (use the parts of material that feel native to iOS, ditch the rest).


I've noticed that some designers are really copyists. They can't create an original look for a website. They merely copy whatever style is popular. They moved from faux wood finishes to completely flat, and now they seem to think "material" is a design movement, and not a limited set of guidelines from Google. No doubt, they will get jobs making everything look material, until the next fad rolls along.


> Honest question: why would you want to use this?

To be hip obviously. Not for usability reasons, that I can assure you. :)


This is such a cool move from google. Doing material design in HTML/CSS/JS is pure win.

I am working on React.js components for this. I have already did half of them. Check out https://github.com/pksunkara/react-mdl. I welcome any contributions.

EDIT: Components can be seen at https://github.com/pksunkara/react-mdl/tree/master/src


Thankyou. Until I saw your comment, I had no idea this came from Google. The domain is http://www.getmdl.io/, the site doesn't mention it, and a "lite" version sounds unofficial. The only clue is the Github icon links to https://github.com/google/material-design-lite link.


I also started the same thing a few weeks ago but I chose a different approach. I decided to use their `upgradeElement` function to upgrade the component, instead of re-writing everything. https://github.com/tleunen/react-mdl


> I am working on React.js components for this.

Can you just use polymer though?


You can but I didn't like it and wanted to use react.js


you can use both together if you don't care about server side rendering.


We wanted to use MDL but had already committed to Stylus and weren't willing to use a prebuilt MDL, so I am maintaining a Stylus port here: https://github.com/xdissent/material-design-lite/tree/stylus


I think this has been around for a little while. I remember seeing it pop up on my feed.

I think it's a great idea, but a lot of the animations are still a bit clunky (slow/choppy). Polymer still has the leg up, but this is neat for projects where you know your user base won't have access to the latest and greatest browser.


Yes, it was released last month: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9840682

I'm looking into using MDL for a redesign for my blog. Some of the layouts (e.g. the navigation and cards) seem more efficient than using Bootstrap.

> Polymer still has the leg up, but this is neat for projects where you know your user base won't have access to the latest and greatest browser.

MDL only loses support for IE9, which a) has a low market share b) will drop market share further as Win7 users upgrade to Win10 and c) heavy-duty websites have been dropping support.


I really don't understand the hype surrounding material design.

I get the widgets as "material" metaphor, space, motion, etc., but as I understand it the redefinition of every widget's appearance and ignoring UI conventions is the opposite of good design.

The new design language (Material Design) is not made with any apparent metaphors in mind (e.g. the "tabs" are just plain nonsensical as elements), do not convey the system status or their use in any intuitive way, and is inconsistent with the widget look users are already accustomed to (as defined by their systems and by history).

As others have mentioned, it's hard to see any real value in this outside of Google's own systems.


Well this was certainly better than extracting the AngularMaterial CSS, although I preferred the semantics used for the flexbox grid in the latter.


Why does this have such a heavy penalty? @dang can you comment on why this seems to have dropped off the front 3 pages?


Used Polymer for a part of my team's application, but it seemed too heavy. Also, Polymer doesn't seem optimized for anything other than Chrome right now. I think Polymer is great for the web components portion of it. But I feel MDL might be better if you simply want the UI/UX design.


One thing I like about material vs e.g. Bootstrap is their treatment of widgets. In particular, the range slider & toggle slider (checkbox alternative) seem common but bootstrap doesn't address these.


Neat. Really like the approach.

Is anyone else noticing the distracting optical illusion in the logo when reading the first paragraph on the landing page? If I am not the only one, someone should find a way to fix it.


What are you seeing?


The blog template[1] looks stunning!

[1] http://www.getmdl.io/templates/blog/index.html


Aren't the transitions between the icon states supposed to be animated? For me (using the latest Google Chrome on Linux) they just jump from one state to the next when hovering over them.


Now I can Materialize your sites :D

http://andreapaiola.name/magpie/


this feels so much faster than the angular material :/


What the hell is this?

Does google pay fanbois to pretend that they want to tattoo themselves with material design, have a material design toaster, have a material design car, etc..

Material design is bad enough in Android we don't need it anyplace else.




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