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SBCL LLVM (or.cz)
38 points by fogus on Dec 21, 2009 | hide | past | favorite | 7 comments



I see lots of languages targeting the LLVM (for example Ruby's MacRuby implementation, Python's Unladen Swallow, and recently a thesis about using it for Haskell through the GHC).

What does this mean for the average programmer? I'm assuming that the more popular it gets, the more likely it is to be further optimized? Is there any effect on cross-platform portability of code?


Why? SBCL has a great compiler. Using LLVM is giving up their freedom.


SBCL's low level code generation is total crap, the smart bits are in the high level optimizations. (And to be honest, even those smart bits are fundamentally 80s technology, it's just that most dynamic language implementations never got even that far up the technology ladder). What James is doing is hooking LLVM in after most of those high level optimizations have been done, but letting LLVM worry about instruction selection, instruction reordering, register allocation, etc.

(Edit: Oh, but the place where it's hooked into also is bypassing some compiler passes that might turn out to be too fundamental, like representation selection which decides whether values should be stored tagged or as raw machine values. One theory is that some of LLVM's more advanced or future optimizations will obviate the need for that pass. The other is that really LLVM should work at the same level as other SBCL backends, after all the generic low level decisions have been made. This work is still at such an early stage that we haven't even figured out which of the two theories is true.)


Does it finally not crash on Windows yet? Because I'd love to mess around with it, but it's hard to make a game when it occasionally crashes deep within SBCL's internals.


Nobody is working on SBCL on Windows.


And thats why I'm using clojure.


Me want Clojure implemented on LLVM. Call it Lure.




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