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lockfiles are useful to speed things up, you avoid waterfalling

and as some people mentioned, if a dependency of a dependency provides an important security patch, do you want to wait for your dependency to update first? or do you rely on overrides?


there's a bit of issue there: most of users don't feel the same pain, I think huge part of edge dev team uses edge daily despite it being basically unusable and they are happy and proud of that mess, the same goes for chrome, chropera, quantum... so dogfooding isn't the silver bullet either


anyone who tolerates laptops at all is not good at judging ergonomics and usability, they are only made so you can get the necessary minimum done when you can't access the main machine and it shows


I do all my work from the sofa or floor. Bad ergonomics but good usability.


Well, I know we all have our kinks and perversions, but it's a bit unfair to push them onto unsuspecting joe


the physical and mental pain related to the terrible "keyboards" and cooling systems and small, poorly positioned screens laptops offer makes the usability nearly non-existent


You haven't really coded until you've coded under a blanket.

And I'm not an indestructible 20-year-old either :)


it's literally the worst experience, though sure, it is an experience


It is universally more ergonomic to have a device that you can’t take to where you need to be working? Unbelievable.


it's more ergonomic not having to use device that actively tries to hurt you


Now hear me for a second, I think I will blow you mind.

All laptops have a very special feature called external monitor support. And for some laptops, you can even buy docks.

Boom!

I know, it's amazing.


and then you're still stuck with the inferior performance and acoustics, why would you want to do that?


That is an expert's view which is not valued today which makes it untrue. I personally agree, I totally do, I mean my setup has triple display and plenty RAM, but sorry!


win7 was aesthetically awful, but usability was almost on point

but KDE is slightly better, at least in these aspects I care about, of course it looks disgusting, but you don't need third party tools to disable taskbar grouping and that's a big thing


> win7 was aesthetically awful, but usability was almost on point

A bunch of clicks to get to the Control Panel, but once there just a few to get to the GUI configuration dialogue box, and somewhere in that one or two more to enable "Windows Classic" style, and you had the good old W95/NT4/98/2K aesthetics back -- and all the functionality of W7. (And then you could spend a day or two getting colours and fonts and GUI-element sizes juuuust... so, if you wanted to.)


I agree, Windows 7 wasn't as good as Win95/98. Win95 I think is just second to none in UI design. Perhaps, Cinema4D UI is a contender but that's an application. If you haven't checked, totally checkout C4D :-).


iphone always was behind, basic things always were either convoluted or just impossible, ios is the most painful mobile os I ever encountered


It wasn't behind the first year or so.

It's not about buttons or even copy-paste as weird as that sounds for a techie.

But zooming on a map with your fingers was a game changer. Zooming an imagine with your fingers. Using your fingers to scroll a list, naturally. And lists are probably the most common UI element except for buttons, labels and images. They're for sure the most common complex element.


if it adds some ingenious new features but at the cost of removing some basics it is still behind, that's the whole point of w11 issue


Yeah, but there's a term: "paradigm shift".

It wasn't a "few features" (techie speak), it was a "new way of working" (usually marketing speak, but here it was actually true).

W11 is a few missing features for an existing way of working.

The iPhone had a few missing features for a fundamentally new way of working that was much superior to existing smartphones.

Your complaint was like the handlebars on the new bike being hard to push (which I can workaround by pushing harder, up to a point) while the old bike had square wheels and a chassis meant only for square wheels (which I could not work around).


"new way of working" on iphone is using fork to move soup from your pot to bowl instead of ladle, that simply doesn't work

pinch to zoom doesn't interfere in any way with easy app installation or easy files transfer, they can coexist (and they do, on android), sync simply doesn't work when you want to quickly drop that one specific file and keep moving, sync doesn't work when one device has much bigger storage than the other, sync doesn't work when you want to easily remove files from one device

"paradigm shift" to golden cage is not a good thing, apple intended to take all responsibility from users but at a cost of being unable to do anything efficiently


> "paradigm shift" to golden cage is not a good thing, apple intended to take all responsibility from users but at a cost of being unable to do anything efficiently

The original iPhone didn't have an app store, apps were supposed to be web apps.

If you're going to rewrite history, at least do it well.

I get it, you're a techie, just like me. I use Android, I don't like iOS.

But to deny that for the average person the iPhone was the first usable smartphone is just silly at this point.


how making everything harder made iphone "the first usable smartphone"? that makes no sense


As an example navigating a list directly with my fingers is much, much faster and more convenient than navigating it with arrow keys (physical or on-display ones).

Navigating a 2D space with my fingers, just dragging around or pinching to zoom, is also much, much faster and more convenient faster than than doing the same with arrow keys (again, either physical or on-display ones).

And navigating through the OS and apps, either through lists and 2D spaces (websites, images, maps, videos, etc.) is a lot more common than copying files around on phones. 100:1, probably. Again, some techie/advanced functionality was lost at the start, but the time and frustration savings from those basic yet intuitive features heavily outweighed their loss.

If you don't agree with this, I guess you either haven't tried pre-iPhone smartphones or you just have a very unorthodox opinion and I'm not very keen to continue this conversation.


I don't think that's a great description.

It's more like switching from using a spook to move soup to your bowl to eating a sandwich instead


What basic things are convoluted or impossible on iPhone/ iphone OS?


Things on the home screen auto arrange. I can't leave things at the bottom near my thumbs where it's most ergonomic.

It took until last year to get an apps list and not have to have everything pinned to my start screen.


files transfer, installing apps unwelcome in the main store, using proper contextual content blocker


yes, anyone who cares about looks would pick win10 pre-neon over mac, they would pick win8 over mac, they would pick win2000 over mac


the thing about iphone is: it didn't start the smartphone era like many say, it ended it suddenly people started desiring device as expensive as business models were that coul'd only do half of things their mainstream ones could so by market rules it wasn't profitable to struggle and do things right anymore, do you remember cheap Chinese portable music players that required dedicated software but we beared with it because they were cheap? so... iphone isn't cheap


Apple, and a number of other players, have long had the ability to craft a favourable narrative in most people's minds.

Heck even supposedly technically minded people will say things like "Apple invented the mouse" or they had "the first mp3 player" or "the first smartphone".

There's a circus about them that permits them to stomp out history before their first performance and mark it as irrelevant.

Musk is also a master of this craft. Founder of Tesla? You'd be surprised. Founder of PayPal? Go look that up.

These people could have been excellent actors if their businesses had failed


> There's a circus about them that permits them to stomp out history

And how do you think they would do that?

Apple sometimes uses a bit of hyperbole to describe itself (https://512pixels.net/2014/01/apple-boilerplate/), but I don’t think Apple ever claimed "Apple invented the mouse" or they had "the first mp3 player" or "the first smartphone".

I also have never met anybody who made such claims, only people saying there are people who make such claims.

It also would be weird for them to do so. Their marketing differentiates their products from the competition, and has been doing that for years.

The competition sells MP3 players, the iPod was a _music_player_ or just the iPod (look at https://youtube.com/watch?v=kN0SVBCJqLs, and count how often Steve says music before he says mp3. [1]); the iPhone an iPod with touch controls, a revolutionary mobile phone, and a breakthrough internet communications device (https://youtube.com/watch?v=x7qPAY9JqE4), the iPad just the iPad.

[1] There’s a claim in hat video that Apple invented FireWire. I think that is mostly correct. They were the driving force there.


I'm similarly confused that anybody would even think Apple claim to have invented these things.

Particularly so since in the Keynotes where SJ introduced e.g. the iPod he shows the state of the competition and has a good critique before introducing his 'lame' replacement.


Zuckerberg, founder of Facebook...


Upvote for content -- but, if I could have simultaneously downvoted for near-unintelligibility of run-on sentece, I would have.


in the text area it was separated into paragraphs but oh well, I guess it pretends to be markdown formatted?


You need to put an extra newline to get separate paragraphs.

Like this.


Periods would have helped. They're standard even at the ends of paragraphs.


to any sane desktop environment so basically windows (except the 11 abomination) and KDE


it's simple, apple users want ugly and confusing UI while windows users want pretty and practical UI, bringing the apple one to windows will never work


I think having some people daily driving other systems may be beneficial, providing a fresh view

but if majority of your lead designers never in their lives used the taskbar they are surprised when replacing it with a dock causes outcry


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