I would encourage you to go and read more about triples/asserting facts, and the trust/provenance of facts in this context.
You are basically saying "it's impossible to make basic claims" in your comment, which perhaps you don't realize
Oh, great re swimming pools - solar detection is another one on my list to have a go at.
I feel like a lot of the pushback here is an idea that OSM can grow from hand mapping; but as someone with 60k changesets over a decade... no amount of human volunteer enthusiasm is to the point that it can "solve" mapping at a global scale to the standards that make the map data overwhelmingly useful.
I feel we need a scalable framework for importing and maintaining data: ways to annotate the quality, sources, where to report bugs in the data source, and guidance to consumers.
Ie if I want to query "businesses of type X" "mapped by humans within the last year", I can sort of do that with "check date".
But who knows how many of those attributes are accurate, or if the mapper who checked only checked one aspect (name/location)? Would it be better to ingest alltheplaces opening hours to maintain this data automatically, every month?
Would it be better as a data consumer if I could filter to only certain sources I trust?
Or I could use data - even if the polygons aren't perfect or similar, even with known limitations like "poi inferred by AI".
> Would it be better to ingest alltheplaces opening hours to maintain this data automatically, every month?
Alltheplaces plays dangerously loose with (also) using resources clearly marked as copyrighted and protected with an API-key. As it is that project can serve as inspiration, but it is incompatible with OpenStreetMap.
There are probably more spiders configured to do this.
> (BTW, just marking something as copyrighted does not make it copyrighted)
For OpenStreetMap, it means that at the very least the Licensing Working Group should have a look. When you combine a copyright claim with directly using a third-party API with an API-key without clearance from the owner, doubly so. This was already pointed out to you in that thread.
Currently, only spiders which directly use the websites and domains of the shop chain (or its owner) are cleared for use.
Take heed of what Andy Townsend from OpenStreetMap's Data Working Group wrote:
> OSM has traditionally avoided situations where it could be legally challenged by people with more money to pay lawyers than we have, even if, in a fair and balanced process OSM might actually be in the right; for the simple reason being that any legal cost could far outweigh other costs of runnng the project.
You are a senior mapper in our project. You know this.
> Why ask? An example was pointed out in this thread you started:
Because I wanted to know is there any other known case.
> For OpenStreetMap, it means that at the very least the Licensing Working Group should have a look.
and they were asked about first-party sources, that is why I am looking through ATP to check whether specific spiders are using only first party-sources or not
> Currently, only spiders which directly use the websites and domains of the shop chain (or its owner) are cleared for use.
AFAIK this is not accurate - for example if they would host their data at github pages website without custom domain it does not change things
Solar might be problematic. How will you discern between a solar panel and a solar thermal collector? They look practically the same but their function is very different.
- Ask people to nominate someone else they know as a good resource.
- Reach out to the multiply independently recommended person
- Ask they who they would recommend and why.
I have prototyped using timefold in a work project for hospital bed allocation.
Using the shortcut of "It's AI, but it won't hallucinate because it follows all of your policy and rules" has been a great way to onboard both non technical folks and operators warming up to the idea.
Or to put it another way: available with a rate of return that makes it sensible for average middle class home owners to say yes to, to the point dirty power sources are having to shut down in some markets (or fiercely lobby through the political system to be propped up).
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