… coffee is good for you, coffee is bad for you. Table salt is bad for you, table salt is good for you. Red wine is good for you, red wine is bad for you. We have gone a full circle on each of those so many times.
Linus Pauling used IV injections of vitamin C in 1970's to treat terminal cancer tumours, subsequent studies in 1990's failed to reproduce the effect so it was abandoned (and discredited), and over the past decade the interest has rekindled the research and phase 3 trial is underway for high dose IV injections of vitamin C as adjuvant therapy for pancreatic and solid cancer tumours[0].
I’ll second this. A combo of KeePassXC (desktop), KeePassium (Apple), and KeePass2Android plus manually synching my .kbdx file makes the passkey experience relatively smooth for me.
It doesn't support passkeys yet so I'm surprised you mention it because this is what I wait for a full cross-device (for me) support, to start using passkeys
So you need three different applications and manually moving around files to achieve a "relatively smooth" experience? I don't think this is the endorsement you think it is.
KeePass is a community project, Bitwarden is not. These are just client applications that sync and interact with the .kbdx file the community has formalized a standard on. That's why Bitwarden has a unified client application ecosystem and KeePass does not.
You don't understand KeePass, which is fine, but please don't make bad assumptions like these if you don't understand the underlying reasons for why a thing is the way it is.
It's like calling out why there are two dozen email clients that speak IMAP.
Uh I know what KeePass is and how it works. The proposed "smooth" solution is - at best - clunky and inconvenient. You've missed the forest for the trees.
> You don't understand KeePass, which is fine
Haha this is so hilariously smug and condescending I have to wonder: are you the real-life Comic Book Guy?
Yes this is being pushed on everyone, including grandma's and the tech illiterate. If the "best" solution is clunky at best, what chance to the tech luddites have?
the best solution for the technical user isn't the best solution for the non technical user. the streamlined solution for the non technical person is that they just have their phone and it has the passkey.
If you want to talk about the laptop and desktop use case, we can talk about those, but non technical people don't have laptops or desktops anymore, they got thrown out sometime after the iPhone and ipad came out, circa 2010. (sorry you didn't get invited to the conference. It was nice, Sarah brought her granddaughter and we had chips and guacamole, it was all very nice)
I disagree, it's an extremely myopic understanding of the world likely perpetuated by a sheltered Silicon Valley cabal.
There are millions of non-technical people with jobs, where they are issued a company computer.
It's conceivable they might want to access the World Wide Web on it.
Assuming they own no other devices other than a mobile phone as you suggest, they still have at least two and probably don't want to sync anything from their personal phone to a company computer.
P.S. your comment was funnier before you added the part about the gucamole
The only difference between an imagined smooth solution is the sync mechanism and a unified client application ecosystem, neither of which is really possible without a large company behind it.
I said you don't understand how KeePass works because you refer to 3 applications for 3 different OSes (2 mobile) as if they were a confusing mix of different applications, when really they're just client implementations around a single, formalized spec. And most folks don't use both iOS and Android so really there's just your choice of KeePass desktop app and one for Android or iOS.
No one says the plethora of email client choices is confusing. This is exactly the same.
This is peak HN. You behave like a douche then appeal to decorum and cry about the rules when called out about it.
> No one says the plethora of email client choices is confusing. This is exactly the same
It's absolutely not the same. No one is manually syncing files across PCs and devices so they can retrieve mail on all of them. You have zeroed in on some irrelevant pedantry and continue to ignore the big picture.
Yet you keep name-calling, so who is acting rudely?
3 different applications to access your secrets is what you focused on and now you're moving the goalposts. KeePass having 3 different client applications is what you chose to make a mountain out of, yet they're all just porcelain in front of an agreed upon standard.
Making a kbdx file accessible in Dropbox or any other cloud service does not take technical wizardry.
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