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Responses to Heather's post from a relatively well-known Python developer:

https://twitter.com/zeeg/status/294305445521268736

https://twitter.com/zeeg/status/294306974248607745

https://twitter.com/zeeg/status/294307486331187201

I guess it's just not all that black and white, is it?


Yeh...I have had brash remarks from #Ruby too and not to mention #PHP and other communities for other languages.

So I don't think this is exclusive to the Rails community.

But, what pisses me off so much - and disappoints me more, is that Ruby (and by extension Rails) is such a beautiful language that allows me to do so much with such clear, and elegant syntax - that I have an expectation that other Rails & Ruby developers would generally be pleasant and nice. Not dicks riding on their high horse because they are the tallest kids in their corner of the playground.

When, in the big scheme of things, they are just 3 feet tall.

This particular instance is even doubly disappointing because I love Hackety Hack and Shoes.rb (which both are made for beginners). Why on earth would I now dedicate some of my time, when I know the maintainer will probably be ridiculing my code behind my back? Now this has just confirmed it.

It's actually quite sad and disappointing. No amount of apologizing will make up for it - unfortunately.


I take it you haven't seen @zeeg's tweets on the subject, then: https://twitter.com/zeeg

Sorry to disillusion you about the Python community.

Personally, part of the reason I stopped using Python heavily professionally in 2007 is because I was sick of hearing and reading Python web developers regularly disparage Ruby and the "Ruby community," a tradition carried on in comments like yours to this day.


Are you suggesting I was talking bad about the Ruby community?

I openly dislike Ruby (as a language), but I swear this project was written in Node, which I also dislike.

Oh, and I could care less which language something is written in, my simple, trollish tweet, was only based on the usability aspect.


Yeah, about trollish tweets... you might offend someone.


"this place is seriously getting as bad as reddit"

From the guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

"If your account is less than a year old, please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. (It's a common semi-noob illusion.)"


Pretty anecdotal. In that vein, I definitely see far more google IPs in my app logs when they are new and have no traffic. When I see traffic that isn't someone with a beta invite or some bot trying to find a PHP exploit, it's pretty much always google.

In fact, I just checked on two sites right now and I'm seeing 66.249.67.152, 66.249.67.49 and 66.249.68.123, all of which are googlebot. I see one yahoo IP (67.195.111.167) and nothing from msn or bing.


I went back and looked, and on my three newest sites, Bing was first by several days. Oddly, Yahoo is my most frequent on those. Not the case with older sites.

Maybe it's more random that I would have imagined.


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