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Way to run Nokia into the ground Microsoft.


Way to run Nokia into the ground, Nokia. Along with every other handset maker pre-iPhone who did not immediately release an iPhone competitor (Microsoft, Blackberry, Palm, etc). They all failed, just some of them lasted longer than others did.


Nokia got lazy. They saw the iPhone and didn't change course until it was too late. If anything, Microsoft kept them above ground.


Microsoft put Nokia into the ground with a single speech that obsoleted all of the phones that they had in the wild (and were still trying to get people to buy) for a phone that they hadn't developed yet.

The N900 and N9 were better than the iPhone, although that's not saying much.


It matters.


I guess it matters because it might actually prove our bodies handle HFCS and Sugar differently. I have never seen that proven anywhere else.


If you want an actual scholarly article rather than a youtube video, here is one (especially useful are the figures on page 6):

http://www.sugar.org/cra-lawsuit/wp-content/uploads/relevant...


Of course our bodies handle HFCS and "sugar" differently. There are about a dozen types of common simple sugars and all of them are handled differently because they are different molecules.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM


Straw-man. The relevant question is whether or not HFCS is significantly worse than sucrose.


uh, water?



Seriously though, some of the descriptions of culture of drinking soda in this thread make me think of that movie. For last 15 years I had soda maybe 10 times and it was usually like few sips. I just can't phantom a world where soda is what you drink when you are a thirsty or to meals. I don't remember people I eat out with ordering soda to their meals either. It's usually water, tea, coffee, sometimes fruit juice.


I drink far more Coke Vanilla Zero than could possibly be good for someone when at home, and yet when eating out I generally get iced tea with no sweetener. You may know a closet soda addict and not even realize it. :)


OT, but:

> I just can't phantom a world

I think you mean 'fathom' here. It uses the metaphor of something being too deep to measure.


I drink at least 24 fluid ounces of soda every day.

I've changed to Dr Pepper Ten instead of regular Dr Pepper though, so at least it's not as terrible for me.

20 calories vs 500 and 4g sugar vs 128g


My wife and I got a good laugh about this exact thing when I made that comment.


Marketing combined with willful ignorance.


I sure hope so...


There are studies that link Diet Soda to other vascular risks. http://www.miami.edu/index.php/news/releases/study_finds_pos...

There are also studies emerging which link artificial sweeteners to Diabetes. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/sep/17/artificial-sw...


I think its generally understood that most artificial sweeteners are seen as sugar by the body, but don't actually get turned into sugar in the bloodstream. So it makes sense that it might contribute to diabetes (your body digests it like sugar), but not aging (which is accelerated by sugar in the bloodstream). I believe the whole point of coke 0 is that it doesn't use an artificial sweetener? But don't quote me on that last sentence.


Coke Zero definitely uses Aspartame

Source: The can I'm drinking right now.


Coke Zero for the US market still uses aspartame, the same sweetener used in Diet Coke.

Coke Zero is a more modern formulation which is supposed to taste more like "classic" Coke than Diet, which has its own distinctive "artificial" flavor which some customers have become accustomed to. It's also marketed very squarely towards young men: during the recent "Share a Coke with X" campaign, there was even a "Share a Coke Zero with a BRO" can, which made me laugh a bit.


In the UK at least we have 'Share a Coke with a Mate' which I guess is our equivalent.


There's also a Coke Zero Splenda version that substitutes Splenda for aspartame, but it's a separate product from the normal Coke Zero.


I could be wrong, but I thought Coke Zero was just the name for Diet Coke with Sucralose instead of Aspartame.


As the others have said, Coke Zero contains aspartame. However, it also contains acesulfame potassium which is another sweetener, so it may have a little less aspartame than Diet Coke. (The effect of multiple sweeteners is generally greater than an equivalent larger dose of one... or so I have... read. Maybe. In something somewhere. No promises.)


They seem to have gone back and forth, and more it varies by country.

My experience in Sweden was that first they with big fanfare changed Coke Light (what they call Diet coke outside of English-speaking countries) to Sucralose, then introduced Coke Zero, which used Sucralose and silently changed Coke Light back to Aspartame, and then at some point silently also changed Coke Zero to Aspartame.


There's a version of Diet Coke sweetened with Splenda, but Coke Zero is sweetened with aspartame just like regular Diet Coke. The Splenda Diet Coke isn't bad, but it does taste a little different than normal Diet Coke or Coke Zero. Look for the Diet Coke cans with a yellow label to find the Splenda version.


I thought so too but if you look at the ingredients they both use aspartame.


Right yes, but not in this particular study


Bing is horrible.


Can Confirm, I work at a start-up and see it on a regular basis.


Fuck New Jersey.


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