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Location: NZ. Remote: yes Willing to relocate: depends Tech: rust, bitcoin, c, everything. Email: sjeohp@gmail.com Background in iOS and crypto. Formerly Accedo and Parity. Currently building a web gaming platform with money in it.


> fake news propaganda leads to world wars and butchery of millions of innocent people.

What are you referring to here? Wars and butchery have been reliably championed throughout history by regular news propaganda.


> There is little indication that the "slippery slope" is more than a fallacy.

If the slippery slope were real and the control of information successful, you might still think this.


> Productivity gains help the world by allowing more services and products to be provided at cheaper rates.

That can be true and still not ease the pain inflicted by unemployment. The poster is confronting the consequences of their work and you are suggesting The Greater Good should simply trump their basic human empathy... An alternative might be to accept both benefits and costs of said work and make an effort to mitigate the costs via charity, volunteering, support for social programs, etc.


I'm not saying you're wrong but doesn't that inherently favour the side claiming "there is no problem because you can't prove there's a problem." Until by the time someone can prove there's a problem we already have a generation with lead poisoning or a collapsed ecosystem or whatever it may be.


Mining gold gets harder over time. If you want more gold that's the price you pay.

Trust-less consensus may be the same. Nature doesn't care either way.


Nature has nothing to do with it. Bitcoin is a poorly-engineered human-designed, human-built system.


Math has everything to do with nature.


Endlessly re-calculating SHA-256 over and over is not some beautiful mathematical principle.


Find a better way of guaranteeing trust-less asynchronous consensus then talk.


> “However, it's possible to solve without using a country's-worth of energy to support a pathetic ~10 transactions per second.”

Great! I look forward to seeing your solution in action.


Nano does it in action.


Nano claims to do it in action. So do others. Some of them might even be proven right, the vast majority will not, so acting like it's some kind of trivial solved problem is disingenuous. Ethereum's PoS has been in development for years and there is still no consensus that it will be a better mechanism than PoW.


> acting like it's some kind of trivial solved problem is highly disingenuous

I said it's possible. I didn't say it was easy. That said, PoW on a small scale is an interesting experiment. On a large scale, it's a horrible way of allocating energy usage. So while the databases running on PoW are working, they are a stupid waste of energy.

I welcome any alternative.


That's like saying space travel is a stupid waste of energy because it costs more than driving. Some things are expensive, sometimes they get cheaper. In the meantime if you want to get to Mars you either buy the proven rocket or the cheap one.


> You're literally killing the planet

This kind of hyperbole suggests you didn’t read the person’s comment very closely.

How is using X joules mining bitcoin worse than using it for anything else? Eg. mining gold?

If the energy grid was 100% sustainable would bitcoin still be “literally killing the planet”? Surely not, so maybe the problem is actually the energy source, not this particular use case.


Indeed it might be still killing the planet, if all the renewable energy we can make at the moment were to be used for Bitcoin and so the other needs must use fossil fuels. At the very least, this argument leads to the conclusion that we ought to stop mining Bitcoin until all energy is renewable, but something tells me its advocates won't be happy with that.


> How is using X joules mining bitcoin worse than using it for anything else? Eg. mining gold?

Or powering an MRI machine to detect cancer in a patient. Is it the same ethically?


>But, it's also important to note that we don't have to answer the "how" question in order to identify halting oracles as a viable explanation. We often identify new phenomena and anomalies without being able to explain them, so the identification is a first step.

I don't think it constitutes an explanation at all, let alone a viable one, if all it does is beg the same question.

The problem was already identified: "how does human cognition work?" You've renamed it: "how does this supposed halting oracle work?" That might be an interesting framing but it is not a viable explanation of anything until you've proved that such oracles exist or in other words, solved the halting problem.


>Hence, a halting oracle is the best explanation for the human mind

What does it explain though? That the human brain has a black box capable of solving certain problems... how exactly?


Indeed - it's essentially the homunculus fallacy, or magic dressed up in the language of knowledge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus_argument


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