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They traded user experience for developer egos. Ego is the equivalent of wealth in the OSS world, just as it is in academia. KDE 4 developers had some grand ideas to push on the world, such as the semantic web, regardless of whether or not their users cared for them.


Yeah just like gnome 3 with its grand ideas that's now more barebones in terms of configurability than macOS.


to be fair, gnome3 unwritten moto was "we macos now", so, mission accomplished?


IMO they're worse than macOS now. But yeah this is why gnome 3 is absolutely not for me and I'll never support it as Linux' single recommended desktop.


it's been almost twenty years since KDE 4 came out. it was terrible, yes. but Plasma 6, which was released this decade, kicks ass, so why are you so mad, Grandpa?


because gramps had to suffer gnome or the tiling wm du jour while kde was fixing itself.

and if you think we were exaggerating in how bad our school route was, get ready for this one...


That was a bad time for KDE. They pushed 4 out with a lot of fanfare and it turned out that GUI wise it was a bad windows vista clone that broke every great established KDE 3.5 application.

Definite enshitification. They took something great and replaced it with a craptastic DE that didn't reach feature parity for a decade!

I bailed for XFCE at the time, never gone back to KDE, wouldn't trust them to not do the same thing again.


It's not strange. Mozilla Foundation is a non profit and Google is not.


Sure but people decide Mozilla is not meeting their standards and then switch to.... Chrome. (Or a browser based on chromium which is just a filtered version of Chrome).


the people complaining about firefox are not switching to chrome! they just keep complaining. don't know where you took that wildly inaccurate idea from.

people who don't complain about mozilla sorry state do move to chrome tho.


There is a certain type of poster that says they use Chrome because of X Mozilla thing, almost like it's a rationalization. Certainly not everyone complaining about Firefox of course!

My least favorite thing about Firefox is the "you must restart Firefox to keep browsing" message when my package manager updates it.


yikes. you run updates while working? that's not recommended at all.


Taiwan is composed of the refugee losers of the Chinese civil war. That gives them zero legitimacy to continue as anything but a breakaway state occupying a formerly Chinese province.


> Taiwan is composed of the refugee losers of the Chinese civil war

By this logic China should be returned to the winners of the Opium Wars [1]. No countries for losers! (To say nothing of the CCP’s inaction against Imperial Japan in WWII [2].)

Anyone can come up with reasons for stealing stuff based on decades, centuries or millennia-old gripes. What matters is where the people alive today live and how they identify. For good reason, the Taiwanese have been drifting away from China since Xi.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War

[2] https://thediplomat.com/2014/09/the-ccp-didnt-fight-imperial...


And do the winners of the Opium Wars have a verifiable historical claim to the land for thousands of years?


> do the winners of the Opium Wars have a verifiable historical claim to the land for thousands of years?

No. Similar to how the Han Chinese don’t have one to Tibet (and other parts of modern-day China).

Practically all land touched by humans has multiple verifiable historical claims to it. The further back we go, the more there are and the more ambiguous they become. The only thing we can say with certainty is who is there today. Every other path means violence and is honestly a bit stupid.


Oh I’m sorry, did you forget that it wasn’t Han Chinese that laid claim to Tibet during the Qing dynasty, whose emperors were Manchus (even though Han was and still is the main ethnic group)?. But snark aside, your argument doesn’t address my central point.


Supporting peace?! That's a right wing cause now?


I wish I knew how to respond to such ridiculously bad faith comments like this.

Ukraine has no leverage to bring to any peace negotiations. The only possible way to get peace is for Ukraine to roll over and get annexed by Russia.

You're arguing for the Bad Guys to win.


Good thing the world isn’t a marvel movie


Why do some many people think enabling invaders is "supporting peace"? Chamberlainism used be so verboten.


Because Russian shills, the Alt-Right have already burrowed deep into HN. Don't assume much of the discussion here is anything but in bad faith that feigns ignorance to exhaust opposing arguments. It's the classic gish-gallop in play.


Would you please stop breaking the site guidelines like this? I asked you once already: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213985.

This is a divisive topic with a range of opinion. I don't see any evidence of shills so far but if you think you do, you should be emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it, not posting this sort of sinister speculation to the threads. It's the ultimate internet cliché, and has a degrading effect on discussion. Hence that guideline.


Supporting peace via the 2025 version of the Molotov–Ribbentrop pact? It is very important for future world peace that Russia not be successful in this war.


You don't even have to go back to WWII, we let Russia take part of Ukraine in 2014 and look how that worked out. The idea that letting other countries annex parts of their neighbors is a recipe for lasting peace would be laughable if I didn't see it so often. It's like Charlie Brown and the football every time: https://imgflip.com/i/9lvwwu


And before that, there was Georgia in 2008.


Their Peace is Ukraine laying back and taking it.


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Well, you just nailed why this line works on voters.

Here’s the other one that works on that same crowd:

“We need to fix the budget to close the deficit. We’re going to leave spending basically unchanged and cut taxes for the rich.”


Ukraine is not a formal ally of the United States.


When did Zelensky's presidential term expired again?


They literally can't have an election until the war ends:

* millions of Ukrainians in the occupied territories * 1000km frontline that is extremely thin in places. should they pull troops off the line to vote, or run ballot boxes to the trenches? * their Constitution forbids it * the Russians will attack polling places, possibly killing hundreds

Britian didn't have an election for 10 years because of WWII, so it's not like it's unprecedented for a democracy to put elections on hold during an existential crisis.


When there is peace. Just as with Churchill. And most European leaders during WW2.

You can't hold free elections when you're not free.


They cannot have normal elections anyway, a bunch of people in occupied territories, not to mention soldiers in active duty who cannot leave their posts to vote. Whilst Putin is ruling since 2020 (except Medvedev term).


Come on.

US held elections in 1864

France held elections in 1871 during a large war where parts of the country were under Prussian occupation

Korea held elections in 1952

Vietnam held elections in 1956

Iraq held elections in 2005 with large parts of the country under foreign backed insurgent occupation

Georgia has held elections in 2008, 2012, and 2020.

Ukraine itself held elections in 2014 and 2019. Either the Donbas and Crimea are Ukrainian or they're not.


How is the Jones Act responsible for the failure of domestic ship building? Seems like the Jones Act didn't go far enough if we really cared about a strong domestic ship building industry.


If it went even further the demand for ships would be even lower. You want to copy what South Korea did, which is basically the opposite approach.


It's still basically another mac address or unique identifier for the system, regardless of which local network it happens to be on. Great for being tracked by FAANG, I guess, but I'd rather for my devices use a generic local IP and a randomized mac. There's no reason why the refrigerator needs to be uniquely identifiable on the Internet.


No, v6 addresses are assigned by (or chosen based on) the current network, not permanently associated with a given system. They aren't MAC addresses or unique identifiers.


I don't want all my devices to have their own unique address. The internet dream that created ipv6 is dead. It's malware, spyware, surveillance capitalism now, and the more obscurity through layers of addresses, the better.


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