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I came here to say this. It rankled me no end. Good to see that this is the top comment because we’re a scientifically literate crowd.


You’re projecting a ‘modern’ concept onto a bygone time. Applications could (and in unfortunate cases, would) monopolise the system and if they got themselves stuck in a loop they’d never relinquish control of system resources back to the operating system. Your system would freeze or you’d get a blue screen of death. You can call it wait/async if you really want, but it’s hugely misleading in the present context of the term. It was a more fragile system, not a more robust one.


There was much marketing directed at the fact that as of Windows 95, applications developed with the 32-bit API onwards would benefit from preemptive multitasking. Legacy 16-bit applications coexisted in some kind of virtual machine (maybe it was called Windows On Windows, WOW for short, or maybe that was an NT thing) but they could accidentally trip each other up and bring each other down, but in theory the system and the 32-bit apps were safe. So yes, the text in the article is pretty confusing and misleading. I exited Windows in the XP SP1 days (2003) and by then most of the mishaps happened due to third-party drivers.


It was outcompeted two decades ago. Friendster, Google+, Orkut… they were all outcompeted by the Facebook juggernaut, and even that has become stale in absence of real competition as younger generations have migrated to Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, and others.

Friendster was early to the game but it died, and it died for a reason. Let it rest.


You're assuming it has to be the same Friendster that it was back then.


No, I’m assuming that social networking follows Metcalfe’s Law, and that there’s no real way to migrate users en masse, so there’s no incentive to migrate individually if there’s nobody you know there to network with.


Incorrect in the reason, but they did succumb for another reason which hasn't changed, so correct sentiment.

You can't compete against companies that don't have a loss function constraint on their business.


I didn’t really give a reason why I think Friendster died, so how can I be wrong about it?


You gave a reason.

> It was outcompeted two decades ago.


Fair enough. I guess that’s a kind of reason. I’d be satisfied with a reason if it specified how it had been outcompeted, and speaking personally from somebody who lived through the era it was kind of clunky and at least when I used it there was no notion of ‘networks’ (that Facebook initially had, and then retired probably more than a decade ago) or ‘groups’ — I have memories of user accounts named after organisations or common interests with lots of ‘friends’ linking to them… and also the notion of user ‘walls’ and status updates was very embryonic. My girlfriend at the time was utterly engrossed but really it failed to draw me in. Facebook a few years later however was like a syringe of blue dopamine straight to the brain.


An old Russian joke:

A guy keeps going to the newsagent: he scans the headlines and then leaves.

The newsagent sees him do this a few days in a row and finds it to be strange behaviour, so one day he asks him:

“Comrade, what are you doing? Can I help you?”

“Thank you comrade, but I’m only interested in the obituaries.”

“But comrade, the obituaries are at the back!”

“Not the ones I am looking for, comrade!”


This joke has its origins in the days when Soviet leadership was a series of men in their seventies who kept dying on the job.

It has acquired a certain acuity in today’s America where the leaders are a series of unpopular men approaching their eighties.

There is a widespread “Is He Dead Yet?” meme that’s the contemporary direct equivalent of the Soviet joke.


And Russia! Let's not forget the same holds there, for very good reasons. Particularly as they managed to be the leaders of the unpopular men leading America, and they're squandering what wealth Russia has in mad imperialism for purely ego reasons while also seeking to crash the US no matter what that does to the world economy. Pure table-flipping.

It's called the Swan Lake moment: Swan Lake on loop on the state media TV. That's what happens when everything is turmoil and nobody knows what will come next.


All I ask for are leaders born in the 1950s


We just had a chance at one born in the 1960s. People decided that they wanted someone born in the 1940s.


It refers specifically to Stalin.

And a time when the Chairmanship was not a revolving door, though it became more of one immediately afterward.


What's old is new again.


Wow… incredibly expensive… at minimum another 26€ a month. Wolfram really enjoy milking their customers dry (and I’m a customer). I think this is highway robbery.


With a bit of creativity you can run something similar for free. It's worth noting Raspberry Pi comes with a free Wolfram license. The assistant part can come from something like Perplexity, which in my experience is decent at writing Mathematica code.

I also have a Mathematica license which I think is worth paying for. One of the few closed software that has no good equivalent in the libre world. Nonetheless, I wish Wolfram had come up with a different business model that made Mathematica more mainstream, as I feel it has not realized its potential in certain areas.


Totally agree that they have unrealized potential. It was amazing when I was in grad school. Then when I started running a corporate data science team, I struggled to find a use case to recommend it for purchase. There are so many other tools that are better at loading a messy dataset, cleaning it, doing EDA, building a model, and productionizing and monitoring the model, which is the process we spend a lot of time doing.


It's still the very best for symbolic math. But it has fallen behind on other domains.

And even in the symbolic math niche, I am afraid that Python and Julia will slowly erode its market-share.


It’s only expensive if you’re getting less than 50$/month of value from it, at which point don’t subscribe. This isn’t something I’d pay for right now, but when I was doing this kind of work regularly it would have been an easy purchase.

Subscription models don’t mesh well with casual users. However, if it’s going to save you hours of work every month then it’s a perfectly reasonable price point.


Would you sub for $50 if you were getting $51 per month of value?:)

Any alternative where you pay $10 for $15 value or you pay $100 for $150 value will beat this


> Would you sub for $50 if you whee getting $51

Personally no, 50$/month of value covers not just 30$/month, but also the overhead of yet another subscription.

So paying 10 for 15 doesn’t make much sense IMO, but $100 for $150 does.


Yep. It is not black and white


That’s like two Starbucks visits.

(Wolfram customer since 1988 too, so I think it’s helpful to change units, in this cost evaluation!)


For me, it's like days, weeks, or months of distraction trying to get the license renewed, through the multiple bureaucracies that are involved: IT, purchasing, and accounting, to name a few. And a second license for the lab, or a site license, or one for home use? That's crazy talk. And now that software is sold by subscription, it's an annual headache, per app.

I get it that "single user at single computer" is the majority of use cases, so I'm not asking for accommodation. But for me, free means free site license, and I do like to have my tools installed on every computer that I touch.

Sure, there are work-arounds, but it's hard to keep using the proprietary stuff when the free stuff is so easy to deal with.

Disclosure: Wolfram user from 1993 to 1997. Also, when colleagues want to use proprietary software tools, I always go to bat for them, to get the expense approved, because I believe that people should have a choice.


Yeah i totally do understand what you're saying. I miss having mathematica available on any machine for instance on a campus site license, which i used for years overlapping yours too!


I wouldn't call that "incredibly expensive". Certainly for what it does, there are many other software packages that cost more.


For somebody who uses Wolfram Home, it’s incredibly expensive.


Because of what logic actually?

Are they forcing you to use it?

Or do you expect them to run expensive GOUs for you for free?

Are you actually using wa? Because if it's helpful as an assistant and it only costs 26 Dollar, shouldn't you be happy about this?


Yes I do use Mathematica. 26€ a month is pricing like a freakin’ luxury.


This is also true for the large NORAD screens in WarGames (1983).



I’ve got this in soft-cover. I think I read it back before the turn of the millennium. As a BeOS aficionado I loved the reference to batmobiles.


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