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>Leading immediately to Russia invading Georgia in 2008

Encouraging Saakashvili to resolve Georgia's territorial issues by taking over breakaway republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. And then Russian intervened. [0]

>who had no active efforts on either the Ukraine or NATO side toward NATO membership

The efforts were quite active during pro-Western president's rule and were halted by pro-Ukrainian president.

>Ukraine threw out the Russia-aligned government

No, Yanukovich was thrown out by pro-Western coup 'mid-wifed' by the US. [1]

"The night before the clashes, Right Sector called on all of its members to ready themselves for a "peace offensive" on 18 February. <...> That morning, around 20,000 demonstrators marched on the parliament building as that body was set to consider opposition demands for a new constitution and government. Around 09:45, the demonstrators broke through the police barricade of several personnel-transport trucks near the building of the Central Officers' Club of Ukraine and pushed the cordon of police aside. The clashes started after some two dozen demonstrators moved a police vehicle blocking their path to parliament." [2]

Right Sector is "the right-wing, paramilitary confederation of several ultranationalist organizations" [3]

[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/world/georgia-started-war-wi...

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector


>that’s why they acceded to Russia’s demand not offer Ukraine and Georgia Membership Action Plans in 2008

They did something worse:

While NATO consisted of twenty-seven allies, Bush knew that the Alliance was divided right down the middle on the issue. He understood MAP was controversial but he also had many leaders from NATO allies, largely but not only from Central and Eastern Europe, coming through the Oval Office that spring urging him to push for it. In Bush’s mind, the final decision would boil down to a handful of countries and personalities who held the key votes—himself, Merkel, and Sarkozy—and who would be decisive in shifting the debate one way or the other. Bush also sensed a fault line in the German position. While Merkel and Steinmeier both opposed MAP, they did so for very different reasons. In Bush’s mind, Merkel’s thinking was not driven by concern over Russia, which meant she could still be persuaded to move. She, too, believed in the advancement of democracy and freedom and was willing to stand up to Moscow. He hoped he could personally appeal to those instincts over the heads of those in her government who focused, too much, in his mind, on Moscow.

<...> Adamkus stepped in to echo B_sescu’s point: “Do we agree that these countries should become NATO members?” Merkel replied, “We agree on that. Where we don’t agree is on timing.” The response of the three presidents was immediate and spontaneous: “Then let’s write that down!”

<...> Listening to Merkel, the Central and Eastern European leaders sensed an opening. NATO had never before stated explicitly that a country would become a member. None of them had ever had such a pledge. Most of their Western European counterparts, in all likelihood, would never have suggested this approach. They doubted if Merkel’s foreign minister would have either, but he was not in the room. If Merkel agreed, it could be a major step forward. Merkel then took out her pen and wrote on a sheet of paper: “We agree today that Georgia and Ukraine shall one day become members of NATO.” After studying the wording, B_sescu said: “Madame Chancellor, in our part of the world saying ‘one day’ means nothing and does not commit you to anything—it means never.” Kaczy_ski chimed in: “Absolutely.” Merkel agreed to delete “one day” <...>

<...> British prime minister Gordon Brown leaned over to President Bush at the Council table and half-jokingly said, “I am not sure what we did here. I know we did not extend MAP. But I’m not sure we didn’t just make them members of NATO.”

The question now was how Russia would react—and whether Putin would keep his promise to Bush not to create a problem at the summit.

<...> Moscow’s very public goal had of course been to ensure that Georgia and Ukraine did not get MAP. Technically, of course, NATO had not given it to them. But these countries had received something that was arguably better and stronger—an explicit political promise from NATO heads of state that they would one day became members. That had never happened before.

<...> The Russian president was even tougher on Kiev—describing Ukraine as an artificial creation and a state whose final formation was not complete. He noted that large parts of Ukraine were dominated by ethnic Russians and had been given to Ukraine by Moscow in an arbitrary fashion under Stalin, and asked, “Who can say that we do not have interests there?” The issue of NATO membership, he claimed, could threaten the very existence of Ukraine. “We should act very, very carefully. We do not have a right to veto [such a decision] and we probably don’t even want one, but I want all of us to realize, when deciding such issues, that we have our interests there as well.” At the press conference afterwards, Putin was also polite, but he was clear in reaffirming his opposition to NATO enlargement. Russia viewed “the appearance of a powerful military bloc” on its borders “as a direct threat” to its security, he said. “The claim that this process is not directed against Russia will not suffice,” he continued. “National security is not based on promises.” [0]

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Little-War-That-Shook-World/dp/023061...


Yep. See point 23 from the Bucharest Summit Declaration.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_8443.htm


From your link:

"According to historian Bob Moore, although the repatriations did occur, Tolstoy's intention was to minimize the culpability of the Cossacks for having sided with the Nazis, and in doing so he had undertaken manipulation of the sources and made "outrageous claims" that were exposed during the trial."

Great successor to the noble bloodline that enjoyed benefits of the work of serfs they owned.


What if I want to discover a new better way to write code?


You can ask it for alternative methods and even to document their pros and cons.


>In Europe there is no effort to write news in Russian

Not true. For example: https://t.me/russian_euronews

The most popular anti-Putin channels are run by Russian emigrants based in the EU, like this one: https://t.me/meduzalive


As well as "Svoboda" radio, which, while not strictly a EU entity, broadcasts in Russian for decades.



Interestingly, Medusa has status of foreign agent and undesirable organization in Russia so its website is blocked, but telegram channel is freely available. Similarly, euronews and svoboda are banned from broadcasting and their websites are blocked.


>The error is caused by an APC that calls exception-throwing C++ code

The article doesn't say it was a C++ exception. Could've been a SEH exception.


>a lot of that GDP is debatable in 2024

While the share of services in the US GDP is more than 3/4. What will you do with all these expensive NY lawyers when push comes to shove? Sue China's drones?


>russia had no such qualms.

Neither does the Ukraine or the US.


>The US had to literally rescue Germany from itself by blowing up Nordstream

I wonder what rescued Germans think about that.


In the latest polls the two parties who want to reopen Nord Stream (AfD and BSW) have 25%. Many Germans (I'm one of them) still shy away from these parties and grudgingly vote mainstream, because obviously Nord Stream is just one of many issues:

https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

So I'd estimate that in an honest poll to reopen Nord Stream and protect it militarily you'd easily get 60% in favor. That aligns with the 61% of Germans who are against delivery of Taurus missiles:

https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/03/12/...

That 61% is in danger of being ignored yet again if Merz becomes chancellor in Feburary next year, though it will be Trump who is in the driver's seat by then.


> So I'd estimate that in an honest poll to reopen Nord Stream and protect it militarily you'd easily get 60% in favor.

That's nonsense. There are AFD and BSW bought and paid by Russia telling this nonsense.

Russia has used their energy policy as a weapon to try to dominate Europe and to conquer countries. It was a huge mistake to fall into that trap.

Nord Stream is dead. Russia is a paria in Europe.


Thanks, that's interesting, I didn't think numbers have changed so much.

What do Germans think about the fact that either Ukraine, which received tens of billions of euros in money and weapons from Germany, or the US, who is Germany's ally, blew up the Nord Stream?


Whenever there is a brief moment of free speech, they might find it odd. Similarly, they find it odd that Ukraine has kept its own transit pipelines open until just this week.


>Romanias GDP jumped from 122 billion to 214 billion from 2006 to 2008 after joining in 2007.

Looks like some creative accounting. Real GDP cannot almost double in two years.


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