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It is much better to view cars as a yearly cost, or a per mile cost.

Most people don't pay $40k up front, instead they pay $4k to $10k per year for a new car.


So let us assume 2 adults and 3 kids.

$5k for a _very nice_ cargo bike capable of transporting 1-2 kids too young to cycle on their own.

$4k for _nice_ bikes for each adult. ($2k x 2)

$3k for _good_ bikes for each kid as they grow out of the cargo bike. ($1k x 3)

$1k a year on maintenance for the bikes if you don't want to do it yourself.

$1k for locks and a crash course on how to lock your bicycles to stuff making it too much of a pain to steal.

That's $15k, or the cost of your lower end for a car for 3 years.

So between year 3 and 4 you can start either just replacing the bicycles with new nice ones because you like brand new, get yourself even more expensive electrified bikes, or spend it on other stuff.

And all the while here you could also settle for just "decent" bicycles which cost way less.


What kind of math is that?

That car will last you 10 years something you can hardly say about the cargo bikes.

You don't need a new car every year.


Are you seriously comparing a $5k car to a brand new, high quality cargo bicycle?

The equivalent cargo bike to a $5k car is below $500 and kids bicycles are below $100.

Edit: As for why I calculated like that? It is quite normal for a car to cost $5k per year. You have insurance, maintenance, repairs, taxes, financing, depreciation and fuel to pay for.

If you _only_ spend $5k on a car you're either going to skimp on a lot of those costs or pay it in maintenance, repair, and fuel... or you should compare it to the same tier of bicycles. Used bicycles you fix up yourself.


You think a 5k car is going to last you 10 years?


Most cargo bikes cost quite a bit less than a car though.


Not if you account the price per capita.


I can't even piece together how this could be true.

A family probably only needs one cargo bike. An brand new _expensive_ cargo bike costs around the same as the yearly cost of a car.

If you think your car costs less, calculate your TCO.


And the other 3 members of the family are walking?


For what a single car costs in taxes, insurance, fuel, and maintenance for a year your could get 5 used bicycles and a nice cargo bike trailer off amazon.


Owning a car gives you a lot of freedom and flexibility but you either live in a place that requires a car every day, or one where you need it less.

If your neighborhood is well planned, with good access to public transportation, groceries, daycare, etc. then renting a car becomes viable for the cases bikes don't cover.

Trains, trams, buses and bicycles don't need to cover every case.


After my G13 started acting up I got myself a Razer Tartarus V2 and honestly I'm disappointed to the point I feel like I need to warn people. If you buy Razer, make sure you can return it if you're disappointed.

First the Tartarus V2 has issues with several MMOs where keys will get "stuck" and based on googling this has been an issue with other Razer products for 5+ years. While some may have been fixed Tartarus V2 still has the issue 2 years after release.

Second, the Razer Synapse software pack suffers from gamer marketing bloat and requires you to have a razer account to even allow configuring your device.


The razer account thing is absolutely ridiculous, I agree. What is worse is it keeps trying to update and has broken more than once (I have a keyboard too, and both were set up with different versions of synapse and I don’t want to have to redo my config).

If they go bankrupt or if I lack a net connection, the hardware stops working. Super annoying.

As for the Tartarus keys sticking - was that because it had membrane keys? Or was it software? The orbweaver has mechanical and is the main reason I bought it over the Tartarus.


I think it is software, or at least it can be fixed in software. Which is what makes it so frustrating.

My workaround is to configure the whole thing as a joystick then use JoyToKey to convert it back to keyboard inputs. No stuck keys.


I hope the plan is to read the configured date format on the system like most software out there? This really shouldn't need to be manually configured.


Germany is free to spend their own money how they see fit. For example, by sending money to Romania via the EU budget.

Perhaps Germany should instead focus on the pensioners in their country who have worked hard for 45 years and now live on the minimum pension.


"Perhaps Germany should instead focus on the pensioners in their country who have worked hard for 45 years and now live on the minimum pension."

Yeah, I agree -- that's exactly what should be done! :-) A great part of the Germans' anger at the way politics is dealing with the refugee crisis is the fact that, for decades, they were told that there was no money for schools / infrastructure / pensions / child rearing / etc. Now, suddenly, there's BILLIONS of € available for people who have never (and probably will never) paid into the social state money pot.

It's totally understandable that this creates resentment, even without taking into account the other issues surrounding the situation (culture clash, religious beliefs seen as a "higher law", slowly creeping no-go areas -- which don't exist, according to the government :P, etc.).


Daily Mail isn't news, it's poorly researched clickbait.

Rape is horrible and I'm certain immigrants also rape, just as the natives do. But let's not kid ourselves, at least in my home country Sweden the number of sexual offences (including rape) have not increased significantly over time despite decades of scaremongering news about them, including on swedish state tv.

I base this on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#Victim_surveys And in Swedish more recent: https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-och-statistik/valdtakt-och-sexu...

We'll see what the numbers for 2015 and 2016 say, but I somehow doubt they'll show a country in free fall despite 163k asylum seekers in 2015.


Statistics is easily tweaked or faked. There are already many cases of police in Germany and Sweden miss-reporting or covering up sexual offences by immigrants.

1. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-03/german-coverup-scan...

2. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that...

3. http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/german-cops-we-were-ordere...


Statistics can never simply be read from a police database or similar. It takes serious work by good researchers to compile the data and interpret it. This is also why you can't compare many crime statistics between countries, rape being a fairly typical one.

The simple truth is that up until now no one actually cared and that is why it went unreported. Heck, the new years eve sexual offences will probably disappear among all the other sexual offences that go on every day that no one apparently cares about.

Festival groping is hardly a new phenomenon, maybe the new years eve thing is new but was it a temporary problem or is it a long term issue? No one actually knows yet.


>It takes serious work by good researchers to compile the data and interpret it

Ah, yes. The data need to be "seasonally adjusted" by high priests of the state, so that we, uneducated peons get the "appropriate" message.

Do you even realize how elitist your statement is? Sexual offence data is not rocket science, a lot of people can understand it quite well.

In Sweden's case, it would also help if the race/nationality of the attacker was disclosed (which, I heard, is not allowed in Sweden).


>>Sexual offence data is not rocket science

It is though. The definition of sexual offence changes between countries. Simplest example being that in some places public urination is a sexual offence, despite not having anything to do with sex. And because that definition is not consistent between countries, it cannot be reasonably compared.

>>n Sweden's case, it would also help if the race/nationality of the attacker was disclosed

And why would it be? What for? A rapist is a rapist, regardless of their nationality.

You sound like a tinfoil hat aficionado to me, sorry.


>public urination is a sexual offence

You think people are idiots and can't distinguish between urination and groping?

>And why would it be? What for? A rapist is a rapist, regardless of their nationality

In the context of countries which accepted a lot of immigrants, it is to either confirm or dispel the claims that the attackers are mostly refugees from the Middle East.

>You sound like a tinfoil hat aficionado to me, sorry.

Please refrain from ad hominem attacks - it is against HN rules.

I simply want to learn what has caused the increase of rapes. The fact the the police (and the press) in Sweden were, in many cases, instructed not to report the race/nationality of attackers - to me - constitutes censorship.


>>You think people are idiots and can't distinguish between urination and groping?

Well clearly so, because that's exactly how sex offender lists work in some countries, where there is no distinction made whatsoever.

>>In the context of countries which accepted a lot of immigrants, it is to either confirm or dispel the claims that the attackers are mostly refugees from the Middle East.

And my point is, what good does it do to anyone? Criminals should be persecuted with the same severity, regardless of where they are from.

Let's say that data shows that middle eastern refugees don't rape more than native citizens. I'm almost certain such raport would be dismissed by some(look two comments above) as "doctored" or "prepared" by the government that doesn't want people to know the "truth".

Or let's say that they rape more - What do you want to do in that case? Write special laws for them? In US, most criminals are black, but you should know very well that it's both because the are marginalized by the society and punished harder by the law enforcement, and not because they are black.

That's why I insist that we treat all criminals as criminals, not as "native criminals" and "middle eastern" criminals etc. There's just no benefit, except maybe feeding fear against them.

>>Please refrain from ad hominem attacks - it is against HN rules.

You are right, my apologies.


> And my point is, what good does it do to anyone?

If it is found that people from the Middle East rape much more than native citizens or engage more in certain types of criminal activity that is destabilising the society then there is something that we as a society can do.

We can send them all back. We can send our soldiers to guard the borders and not let anyone of them in. That's a simple solution that would work.

I would even approve of forcing those who committed crimes to work until they fully repaid their victims for all the damage they caused. After that put them on a plane send them home.

But this is not about equal treatment, the elite and the media feel the need to obfuscate because they know that people are not going to tolerate this if they knew the full extent of what is happening.


So....you would basically write special laws for a group of people. There's plenty of examples how well this approach worked throughout history(it didn't, or it worked temporarily).

Besides, I find the idea of punishing a whole group of people for the actions of the few disgusting. I don't know where you are from, but I'm from Poland originally, and especially in the 90s there was a lot of car theft in Western Europe done by Polish criminal groups - so Poles got a reputation as car thieves.

But you would have to be an absolute brainless idiot to say that all Poles are car thieves. And yet, you are proposing such solution here - assuming that "middle eastern refugee" group has more rapes - and you want to literally "send them all back". If you don't see how wrong this approach is, then I don't think I can help.


No, there's no need to write specific laws.

If we follow the already existing laws strictly then not a single refugee would qualify for refugee status because they passed through plenty of countries in which their lives are not threatened.

After that we can decide to financially help support refugees that are stranded in Turkey and other neighbouring countries to Syria or we can take in a certain amount that we have carefully vetted to not be dangerous to our society.

There is nothing inhumane about this approach, for each refugee we house and feed here we can house and feed 10 in the Middle East. On top of that we wouldn't have thousands of them drowning every year in the Mediterranean Sea, because very few would try if they knew that there's no chance that they'll be able to stay.

Also we would end human trafficking by enforcing our borders. To me this seems like a win-win for every side.

Regarding the Poles are thieves issue: Stealing cars and rape/murder are not even remotely comparable issues. One of them is annoying and leads to racist jokes, the other one can lead to Germans organising/revolting and starting to indiscriminately kill off anything non German on their territory.

If the government doesn't protect their citizens right to not have their wive's and children raped then people will get rid of them one way or another, usually through uncontrolled violence. I'd prefer the government to do this in a humane way by putting them on a plane and sending them home.

But it wouldn't even have been a problem to restrict the entry of those Poles who are likely to steal cars. It's just a matter of asking them on the border: "What are you planning to do here and how are you going to support your self?" If they can show that they have a job here that can sustain them then you'd have immediately filtered out many of those that just came to steal.

This is by the way allowed in the EU framework. Each EU country can send you back to your origin EU country if you cannot prove that you'll be able to sustain yourself here. Most people do not know this because it's only been used in a few cases.


One more thing: Why is it that you seem incapable of discussing an issue without using insults in every other sentence? This doesn't reflect well on your character.


>There's just no benefit, except maybe feeding fear against them.

There is already enough fear (justified or not). No data -> no diagnosis -> no remedy -> even more tensions, fear/hate, etc.


In which European country do citizens starve because of immigration?


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