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Maybe, but for the silent majority it's pretty straightforward: 1) we view information as fundamentally different from currency, goods, and services; 2) we don't want to pay for information if we don't have to and we're not going to get caught.

The gymnastics are mostly about just trying to figure out whether we're bad people or not - because everyone else's favorite game is Shame the Pirate - but once you realize you're not a bad person and that you're okay with doing something illegal then it all just sort of fades into the background.


Yes, we all understand the linguistic gymnastics are a way of rationalizing an action you know is wrong.


On the contrary, I think the people who know whether an action is right or wrong don't spend a lot of time arguing either way, they just go ahead and do what they think is right. It's the people who don't know whether an action is right or wrong that get all worked up trying to handle their conflicted feelings about it.


This isn't about whats legal though. Its about you taking advantage of someone else's hard work. Its theft in the moral sense, and its that what makes you a bad person.

That said, its still a grey area moralistically.

I do not see a small indie developer and a large corporation in the same light as the corporation is taking advantage of the hard work of its employees to make a profit.


Well you probably are a bad person though. A good person by definition tries to do good by other people.


I prefer people that try to not do bad to other people. Those that do good can be risky.


I think quietly doing good is okay, it's the people who talk about it that are risky.


> but once you realize you're not a bad person and that you're okay with doing something illegal then it all just sort of fades into the background.

Doing illegal things makes you a bad person.

This isn't some fight against tyranny, it's theft (or illegal copying, more specifically).


Hey mate! Helping homeless is illegal in my city, as well as collecting wild berries, tenting in forest. Just because law is not realistic and doesn't protect anyone and was made only for profits from tickets doesn't make it a good law and me a bad person. I have a 100GB seedbox where I seed old books that are unavailable on paper in my country and scientific zip. How bad am I?


The only reason I added that last line is to highlight certain scenarios where laws aren't correct.

Illegally copying content is not one of those scenarios.


Good != legal.

Bad != illegal.

A legal system that reflects everyone's moral system 100% of the time has not been invented yet (and is likely impossible).


Tell that to the bicycle.


The main problem I have with the prevalence of adblockers is that now you have to "block" the meta-advertising people in discussion forums that criticize you or attempt to make you feel guilty for blocking ads on your own property any time the subject comes up, and it's a lot harder since the messages are usually targeted, handwritten, interspersed with useful content, and overall difficult to detect automatically.


I think it's just that there's a lot of dramatic and hyperbolic words and phrases in there, here's a list from a quick pass:

> religion, anyone, conviction, enemy, must, silenced

> most, pitiful, cowardice, all, should, every last one of us, ever, surrendered, tyranny, fighting, capitulate, cower, fear

> my own country, America; disgusts, good men, put down their lives, secure, blessings, liberty, lack, confidence, courage, even, a word, defense

A few of these would be fine.


Oh. Reminds me of that one time, where some jerk went all wise on me, by picking individual words from my post then responding "strong words".

On the surface, I was the angry stampede, and he was the voice of reason. Except he didn't seem to notice that my "strong words" tended to cancel each other (some of the words he cited actually restricted the scope of the others).

It's like the tone is more important than the message. Can't people read, before they take offence to surface details? I hope this is a loud minority problem.

Lesson learned: thou shalt not use strong words, even to express a fair and balanced position. What a mess.


I dunno, someone was asking why the downvotes, that's all I could think of. I agree it's nasty to highlight the words like that.


Dramatic is the right tone here. We are seeing the collapse of intellectual freedom and openness in the places where it was supposed to be valued most. This does not bode well for our civilization. My generation, the millennials, holds free speech in much lower regard than previous generations. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millen... . Everyone who values freedom should be very alarmed.


Millenials didn't invent video game ratings, movie ratings, the seven 'dirty' words, the hays code, or blacklists.

If your generation targets something that's actually harmful, you're ahead of the game.

Consider a space that becasue all speech is allowed, is dominated by speech that marginalizes some subset of the population. Is that 'free'?

I think that if you want a place of intellectual exploration, excluding people is as dangerous as excluding certain ideas. And there seems to be a trade-off.


I very recently graduated from a college where these activists were very active. I can assure you, that there is not some epidemic of racism or any other kind of discrimination that this is a legitimate reaction to. It's nothing short of a political power-grab and an attempt to shut down any discussion by people that they don't agree with. They have successfully created a climate of fear. The reaction among all of the different institutions--different academic and administrative departments, student groups, greek organizations, alumni groups, etc.--is nothing short of race to capitulate the fastest.


Unfortunately I think this makes universities less hypocritical because it's more in line with the way academia works on the inside.


There's just way more capital per capita for developers in SF. You might want to consider why bankers in SF are paid so poorly relative to London.



Inch / foot / yard / mile is a really small range compared to what metric can handle (anything), so in practice most science is done with metric units.


Wide ranges of values are handled exactly the same way in imperial units as in metric: multipliers. You write "0.00023 inches" or "5.48e4 miles", etc. It's just not as pretty.


Yeah, but the claim was:

> Companies never give substantial raises to current employees.

and a single counterexample is enough to counter it.


If you're being super pedantic, sure, but... as far as the typical developer/employee is concerned, it's not relevant.


Not to mention there seem to be several counter-examples in this thread


What are the pros and cons of Silicon Valley being the VC capital of the world? How do you feel about it on the whole? Do you guys ever talk about diversifying, either inside the US or out?


Sometimes people cross their arms because it's a comfortable resting position. It's common in overweight men, the arms rest on the belly quite naturally. Often people will lean back against the chair or wall at the same time.


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