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what's really worrying is that in all this time I've never seen a convincing benchmark, to motivate diving 'head first' into Datomic. For all the hate that the MongoDB guys get, they alteast piqued interest with some arresting charts and figures.

Right now, the impression I get is, "ooh, because Rich Hickey..."

Could anyone share anecdotes to the counter ?


I'm self-taught at Relational Database Design. I spent two years worth of about all of my free time learning, and creating, large normalized SQL schemas. One of the things that most struck me was the capacity to get virtually all the advantages of a relational database without the baggage and rigidity. Add to that the fact that you have a distributed database with almost none of the baggage usually associated with such was another big thing for me.

Granted I'm coming from a do-it-myself green-field project, but the things that Datomic's structure and design opens up for my personal project mean that me, a one man show, can far more easily go toe to toe with the big guys with massive teams to design and deploy their apps and databases.

Potential is what I see, and it's far more than I've seen with just about any other technology that I can think of. I really think Datomic is a game changer, at least for the few awake enough to see it.


Datomic is a very cool project, but it's worth being aware that triple stores generally exhibit significantly worse performance than relational DBs for most query workloads. For non-huge projects they're perfectly capable though, and do offer some flexibility benefits.


Please note that Datomic's architecture is substantially different than most traditional triple stores so I don't think it is useful to extrapolate performance for one from the other.


That's true, and if your workload is such that you're able to predictably query over a relatively small fraction of the database, then I can imagine it working well - it effectively buys you auto-partitioning. If your queries run over a larger subsection of the data, you're still going to run into the fundamental problem of most triple stores: they're join and random i/o heavy. I've not heard that Datomic has anything special going on with regards to this issue, although I may be out of date.

This isn't intended to bag on triple stores - I work on them for a living - or Datomic specifically. Triple stores are very useful and in many ways liberating to work with, but they do present challenges when querying over lots of data.


I'd just eco PureDanger's comment regarding the architecture. I'm no expert on the matter but the concept of having the components of the database taken apart, as they are with Datomic, would give you potential arrangements that you couldn't get with traditional architectures.


This is why datomic's query magic is in it's indexes.


I haven't actually used Datomic yet, but what piques my interest isn't necessarily "ooh, Rich Hickey" as much as "ooh, the Clojure/functional approach to data immutability applied to a database". The appeal, to me at least, is in the potential to make my life easier as a product engineer, rather than as a DBA or devops guy.


Very much one of the biggest draws in my opinion, as I've been using Datomic in production for several months. We're a clojure shop and one of the things I've been working on recently is developing a library for parsing/storing/querying all of clojure's data structures into datoms. I hope I get to open source it :)


See "Datomic: Can Simple be also Fast?"(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6426362)


The really stupid trend in laptop (and most portables) design is non-user replaceable batteries!! What can be at most a 10 USD, 30 second affair is now a drive to the service centre, a two week (if lucky) wait and a 100 USD bill ...


Wait, where are you buying new laptop batteries for $10?


That sounds like the problem is that your battery went bad, not that it was a hassle to replace your bad battery.


My paranoia in installing extensions is finally justified. If Amazon is pulling these kind of stunts, then imagine the kind of mischief the smaller apps are pulling off.

This whole "scorched earth"-style permissions model that users can't make educated decisions about is what annoys me about current platforms like Chrome, Android and iOS.

JavaME had an interesting model where the app asks permissions after it is installed (e.g. internet access, local file system access) for each thing it wants to do. And the app has to consider the fact that the user can decide not to grant that particular permission. Of course, once you decide to trust the app, you could disable the prompts.


> where the app asks permissions after it is installed (e.g. internet access, local file system access) for each thing it wants to do

iOS does the same for the permissions it supports (access to photo library, contacts, GPS/location, twitter accounts, etc etc), but a lot of things are always allowed (such as internet access). Facebook also lets you deny specific permissions to apps on their platform. I've always wondered why Android and browser extensions don't let you line-veto deny permissions.


There's a tradeoff here - apps become harder to write because you know have to deal with a larger set of possible configurations.

App authors also might shut off the app in less you give it all the permissions, which will cause users to just say yes every time.


> Facebook also lets you deny specific permissions to apps on their platform

Which, of course, is ironic given that every update to the facebook app on Android asks for more and more permissions, to the point where it can do almost anything now.


I hope government IT departments take these threats seriously and start updgrading/isolating the still significant numbers of Windows XP systems that have access to critical databases.


I'm sure this is just a weekend hack for folks here, but the presentation really looks chilling.

As a side note: is there anyway to participate in Google+ or Facebook without enabling the location features ?


I love this about designers - they are so passionate and so convinced about the latest design fad, when in reality the only constant is change.

People just like "new" things ... one season its faux leather, another season its gray Helvetica on stark white.


best comment in this entire thread. thanks.


"There's no UI better than one you already know, and no UI worse than one you thought you knew but now haver to relearn."

I hope this doesn't become the epithet of Windows 8!


I'm more interested in the HN comments here. Personally, I felt it was an inconsistent, and pretty tame take on an iconic brand (I'm not a fan of the new Windows logo either).

Check out his HTC 1 concept.. a bit dated but still interesting


People just don't seem to be comfortable with grey. And this is a problem I especially see with newer devs: there has to be one right way that fully solves a problem.

The balancing act between seat-of-the-pants thinking and methodical problem solving is THE key to business survival.


"Twitter succeeded (as it were) because people used it", and they did because the Twitter API is basically the "Hello World" of using a web service !

This meant ANY platform where a developer cared to bring out a Twitter client had it, and hence more people could jump in quickly.

Secondly, really creative users made Twitter what it is today with Retweets and Hashtags.

Twitter would be wise to not start an evaporative cooling effect.


> Twitter would be wise to not start an evaporative cooling effect.

I think this comment is at least a couple years too late.


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