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I use the jetbrains product line for my professional work. They now come with a AI code completion assistant, which will 50-80% of the time, depending on the type of project, suggest something wrong, which I either have to spend energy to evaluate and then ignore. The rare cases where it does suggest something useful don't make up for the time an energy wasted having to deal with the completion. AI in this case is detrimental to productivity and attention to the code. It's more useless than useful.


Side effect include illusions of grandeur, hubris, megalomania, the desire to destroy everything others build, and unsolicitously offering your spooge to the ladies.


You started a hellish generic flamewar tangent with this comment. Can you please not do that on HN?

This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.


On the plus side it appears to reverse the effects of balding.


Not if you look at the evidence.


Been seeing a lot of these in the news lately.


Will it soon be a crime to criticize 'El Doge' online...


don't forget the autistic roman salutes


Don't forget really bad jokes, such as making your product line spell out se*y and naming stuff after memes.


Bring back dorky middle-school sense of humor Musk. I’m fine with S*XY and fart mode and even flamethrowers. If you can find a history of Musk headlines through the years you see that almost everything before 2018 is just dorky engineer stuff and jokes, and then post-2018 it’s mean and destructive.


Does anybody know what happened around that time, ie some personal tragedy?


At the end of 2019 the TSLA stock price took off. Maybe it went to his head a little?


There was a pretty big epidemic of internet poisoning around that time that was followed immediately by COVID.


Other people noted a lot of things. Another is that he traveled to Shanghai to set up a gigafactory.


> such as making your product line spell out se*y

Especially with exterior designs ranging between boring and ugly.


One time I took side views of each of them and scaled them all to the same size based on wheelbase. They're literally all the same design, just stretched. That's why they look so bad, in the same way a corvette would look bad stretched into an SUV.


> roman salutes

It's worth noting that the Romans never did this. There was a fairly brief period in the 19th century where it was kind of a pop-culture Roman thing (it showed up in plays about Ancient Rome, that sort of thing), and then it was adopted by various nationalist groups, including the Italian fascists, and, ultimately, the Nazis.

Unless you're a theatre fan who's been in a coma for the last 150 years, though, it's a fascist (or Nazi) salute; the use of the 'roman salute' term is (potentially accidental; I think maybe some people do think it was a real thing) sanewashing.


TIL about the term 'sanewashing'; thanks, I'll definitely use that.

In exchange, I offer a cool word I learned yesterday: The Broligarchs.


> the use of the 'roman salute' term is (potentially accidental; I think maybe some people do think it was a real thing) sanewashing.

It's used because YouTube and tiktok will demonetized you for saying Nazi.

TikTok, in particular, has pretty aggressive live stream killing policies. It's lead to weird things like streamers saying "grape" for "rape" and "unalive" for "kill".


Huh, I actually didn't know that (as a certified Old Person I use neither on a regular basis). That maybe does explain why people are doing it to some extent. Talk about unintended consequences...


The Bellamy salute on the other hand was actually used to accompany the US Pledge of Allegiance 1892-1942: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute


>Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, which they attributed to the so-called Roman salute, a gesture that is wrongly thought to have been used in ancient Rome. This resulted in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.

In other words, when people decided "fuck that, I dont want to look like a Nazi" they did something different.

Which is precisely why what Musk did was a Nazi salute. Because we know not to do them for fear of being mistaken for a Nazi. The deniability is implausible at this stage.


He did it twice. And I’m up to counting four more republicans who have done it since, not just caught in an awkward still with their arm out, just full-on did the thing in front of people on purpose. At least one of them at CPAC the other day.

At least they’ve cut through any doubt about how to treat their entire party in a hurry. Anyone still with them is in-fact a nazi.


>I’m up to counting four more republicans who have done it since

Names?


Bannon


Oh, bloody hell, totally forgot about him. Has he emerged from his lair again? Would've assumed he was in disgrace after defrauding all those Trump fans.

Like, he literally did an affinity fraud on Trump supporters. Have they actually forgiven him?!


s/autistic roman/nazi/


Please don't use "autistic" as a slur.


i very much don't use "autistic" as a slur, my comment was a riff on how Muskites tried to defend the salute https://time.com/7208614/elon-musk-nazi-salute-reactions-deb...


It was a nazi salute.

>Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, which they attributed to the so-called Roman salute, a gesture that is wrongly thought to have been used in ancient Rome. This resulted in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942.

In other words, when people decided "fuck that, I don't want to look like a Nazi" they did something different.

There is no plausible deniability; it was a nazi salute.


And Elon has had enough media exposure and training to know how it would be perceived. He knew what he was doing. We know what he was doing. He knows we know what he was doing.

Twitter guy had lost his cred with all his nazi twitter followers (the ones he retweets from time to time when they have spent enough time licking his behind) after the H1B visa kerfuffle. They were all thrilled he was heiling away on the national stage.

The amount of cowardice in US politics is astounding. And I don't mean the republican part, because to be a coward with regards to beliefs you must actually believe something.


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It's interesting to compare a genuine Musk my heart goes out https://x.com/kingore91/status/1884580205185954045

with the fascist style one https://youtu.be/s5hiprV-KXQ?t=7

It's possible to notice a difference if you look closely.


Who are we going to believe, you or our lying eyes?


Methylsulfonylmethane can be used in alternative medicine but we're far from Ketamine.


You know, I initially didn't watch the video, because there's so much bs that I don't have time to consume all the bs. It seemed plausible to me that people would exaggerate or misrepresent what Musk did, because that's what people do in (current year argument).

But then I watched the video, and it's just flat out a Nazi salute. There's no doubt. He's not "throwing his heart to the audience," he's not accidentally making a cumbersome gesture, he's just Heil Hitlering right in front of everybody.

So I don't know what you mean by "unironically believe this." I don't know what the "mainstream media" says, and I don't really care. I have eyes. I can see what he did.

So tell me this, whom should I believe, you and your complaints about the media, or my own eyes?


And I don't even believe that you earnestly believe it wasn't a Nazi salute. I think you're trolling, and you know perfectly well what it was, because every sentient being with eyes knows. So that's how far apart people can be.


Please note that "you know perfectly well what it was" is considered a personal attack on this site. As much as I agree with you, I think it's best if we keep this place civil, as many others on the internet aren't anymore, sadly.


I agree, we should avoid offending nazi apologists at all costs, while they allow the breaking of democratic governance in the USA.

We wouldn't want to spoil a nice discussion board, would we?


Let me be clear - I don't necessarily agree with the opinion that it's a personal attack, however dang states that it is [1], so I'm trying my best to make sure those who make good-faith comments don't get unnecessarily banned.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42979559


I think 98% of the "plausible deniability" folks know it was a nazi salute; they just dont care because they are happy about the destruction of the federal government.


Well said. On the other side it's very sad and true, that the consequences can be global in special individual cases.


not to get too political, but Emusk is reported to be on it, not sureyou go


This is really what billions in investment can accomplish? Pathetic.


"Be a good little surveillance drone and put on the glasses back on!"

- Mark Z.


LLMs are still just text generators. These are statistical models that cannot think or solve logical problems. They might fool people, as Weizenbaum's "Eliza" did in the late 60s, by generating code that sort of runs sometimes, but identifying and solving a logic problem is something I reliably see these things fail at.


Have you tried the latest models, using them with Cursor etc? They might not be truly intelligent but I’d be surprised if an SWE can’t see that they are already offering a lot of value.

They probably can’t solve totally novel problems but they are good at transposing existing solutions to new domains. I’ve built some pretty crazy stuff with just prompts - granted I can prompt with detailed technical instructions when needed as I’m a SWE, similar to instructing a junior. I’ve built prototypes which would take days in hours which to me is hugely exciting.

The code quality of pure AI generated code isn’t great but my approach right now is to use that to prototype things mostly with prompts (it takes as much time to build a prototype as it would to create a mock up or document explaining the idea previously) then once we are committed to it, I’ll rebuild it mostly by hand but using Cursor to help.


"Don't worry Mr. CEO, you'll be totally save in this dark, dank basement. Just let me lock the door from the outside."


Luigi Mangione, job creator


Why? Because physics and economic efficiency, that's why.


Not sure if it's a good idea to pollute even more orbits. We're basically one low-iq billionaire fuck-up away from creating a barrier of shrapnel around the planet.


Addressed in the article; one _advantage_ of this sort of orbit is that once the engine dies, it's not staying up there for long.


Anything in VLEO is not going to stick around long.


Not for VLEO, the satellites deorbit after a short time if you just leave them.


If the whole slave simulation with humanoid robots does not work for Elon Musk and his peers, maybe we will see W40K-like servitors, where they take the people the billionaire class deems subhuman and convert them into human drones.


I'm thinking in 50 years humans will be so much less capable than bots, that using a human as a servant or a soldier or what have you instead of using a bot would be laughable. Some of us look at AI, and Neuralink, and robot tech and see a point in time and conclude they won't get any better. That's not how any of this has ever worked. They will all get better.

The future of non-elites is unknown. But hopefully either the elites will be magnanimous, or non-elites will create new occupations that will at once, be able to create wealth, and not be able to be performed by bots. Not sure what those new occupations will be? But human ingenuity is an incredible thing, especially if the system remains market capitalism based. Because that will mean your rent and food will depend on you coming up with something to do. I think people will think of something.

If not? Well, let's just say the future might not hold societies as pleasant for non-elites as the societies of today.


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