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Thanks, this was a good and educational read.


Yeah, there are those who argue that conservation programs benefit from the money generated by zoos, but I still don't feel great about them. Ideally it would be nice if we could work out better ways to distribute our resources so that conservation could be funded without them.


Just as a centre for forced-work gladiator fighting or prostitution would generate income for healthcare if that was legal.


Gonna be honest, it doesn't sound like you have a lot of relevant experience on the effects of incarceration.

I'm no expert either, but prison is a lot more than just making sure people can't commit crimes. I also think reasonable people could disagree about whether the treatment of some of our prisoners constitutes torture or not.


Robin Williams actually had a degenerative brain disease. I know a lot of the news didn't wait long enough for that information about his situation to come out, but it's on Wikipedia.


There's nothing wrong with it, I've been using it for ages.


Well, once a webpage has played audio there's a notification that hangs around till you restart the phone. That's probably better than the cost of running Chrome, though.


You don't have to restart your phone. On Android you can close the app from the recent app list.


> quiet, neat, and über-efficient

I wish the same could be said for the Tokyo office I work in!


Yeah, I would love that actually. ICE runs concentration camps. Not enough people treat them how they deserve.


Can you point to some sources so I can understand how they are concentration camps? I’ve been to Dachau and nothing on the news shows anything like what I saw there.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_inte...

From the article:

> In 2019, many experts, including Andrea Pitzer, the author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps, have acknowledged the designation of the detention centers as "concentration camps" [227] [228] particularly given that the centers, previously cited by Texas officials for more than 150 health violations [229] and reported deaths in custody,[230] reflect a record typical of the history of deliberate substandard healthcare and nutrition in concentration camps.[231] Though some organizations have tried to resist the "concentration camp" label for these facilities, [232] [233] hundreds of Holocaust and genocide scholars rejected this resistance via an open letter addressed to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. [234]


41,000 deaths in Dachau.[1]

15 deaths in ICE detention centers.[2] If you add 2017 it would be about 25.[3]

I have family who immigrated to the US last year with their children. We have the largest immigrant population and we want people to come here.[4]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp

[2]https://www.ice.gov/death-detainee-report#wcm-survey-target-...

[3] https://www.cato.org/blog/annual-death-rate-immigration-dete...

[4] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/which-countries-have-...


There always seems to be a conflation of concentration camps with Nazi death camps in these discussions. ICE running concentration camps (a facility for holding "people, commonly in large groups, without charges") seems wholly unremarkable.


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Isn't that a lower mortality rate than that of young American adults outside of ICE detention?


Judging by the definition of "internment" linked from that wiki page....Japan runs "concentration camps", as it regularly imprisons people without charges and without trial for up to 23 days, under harsh conditions.

Seems like a pretty low bar for defining the term, and obscures the pretty real distinctions in overall human suffering that occur at different places.


Ok so would you ok with a restaurant not serving republicans because the party currently supports ICE's actions?


A bit of Slippery Slope combined with Strawman fallacy here.


I just wanted to see if dunstad would support such a ban. And they did, as you can see by their agreement. This shows how real that slippery slope is for many people...


It's some great irony that two minutes before you posted this, a man of straw himself appeared and agreed with the statement.

I don't think you can call something a strawman if the idea seems to actually have wide support.


Hello, I'm a real boy! I happen to support both of these positions, but it is indeed possible to condemn ICE without feeling the same about the GOP in general, and jumping immediately from one to the next is exactly the kind of thing people mean when they talk about moving the goalposts.


Political alignment isn't a protected class.


You are right - I always forget that political affiliation is not a protected class within our legal system. However, I think it should be, because we've seen the whole ugly side of persecution and discrimination that came about during the McCarthy era and beyond where people like MLK, Chaplin, WEB Du Bois, and Linus Pauling were targeted for their political beliefs.


If you liked this one, you might also enjoy reading about the mycorrhizal networks some plants can use to communicate between each other: http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden...


my favorite radiolab episode is about this: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/from-...



I have eaten fruits and nuts, and pissed and defecated in nature, so I have also communicated with plants both ways...


We may not end up underwater, but ecosystem collapse leading to famine, and increased pressure on all sorts of support systems due to the need to direct aid to people from coastal areas, are both going to affect people everywhere.


Famine? Switching to freelance farming in rural Indiana could be your meal ticket!


Do you honestly believe that famine is going to affect the middle of the United States in, say, the next 100 years?


In a 2C world its very unlikely, in a 4C world its highly likely. So the question is, and always has been, where will we stop? The BAU trendline is ~4.5C by 2100. At which point everything from philidelphia to oakland will be desert.


Even if that happened, I'm not connecting the dots on how it leads to a famine. Do we not have the ability to move food any longer, or something?


empirically speaking no, we (mankind) have never moved half or more of our agriculture hundreds of miles in a generation or two without large number of people not making the transition.

maybe we pull it off this time? seems like a flat out evil experiment to run.

imagine your company running its failover plan to its DR site on short notice. what are the odds of it being flawless?

ok now imagine moving half the farming that feeds everyone you know and love from the midwest to manitoba and ontario. if your reaction to that isn't stark terror at the risk to human life, well then you've played waaaaaaaaaay too many civilization games and your brain has broken into believing this is just a question of right-clicking on the better squares.


You may not be appreciating how adaptable the economy is.


sure, I may not be. its still an extremely ideological and flat out psycho bet to assume it will be though. it is functionally no different from saying "jesus take the wheel"


I think you should learn more about economic systems, because your thinking is a bit off-kilter from reality in my opinion.


it is really disturbing how relentlessly hacker news reactionaries will downvote anyone who dares phrase the ipcc reports in plain english.

what does it mean to our concepts of reason and engineering if one of the most "technical" self-selected audiences on the internet cannot read basic graphs and charts?

what possible hope is there to get policymakers to base their understanding and decisions in the science if self-professed engineers can't or won't?


You mean the 2018 midterm election?


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