I’m ashamed that I have this wish that I were overweight and had an excuse to try a GLP1 just to see how it would affect my impulse control with non-food habits.
I guess there’s not much stopping me from buying some unregulated drugs from the internet and self-experimenting, but I haven’t heard experiences from people deliberately using them for anything but weight.
If it helps, I don't think that there is anything to be ashamed of to want to try new things even if you recognize it is inadvisable. If there were no physical consequences, I'd like to try all sorts of medicines to see what effect they would have on me.
As a user of Mounjaro, obtained from a doctor, I find the experience very interesting. It has all sorts of weird side effects that I don't expect. As a bioinformatician in training it's great fun to speculate about the causes, pathways, signals, and whatnot that might be involved as this drug perturbs so much stuff in my system.
It's not pleasurable per se, but it is interesting. I have changed my food habits significantly without actually trying. I think I was too impatient to eat to cook if that makes sense. Weirdly, foods taste better to me which I did not expect. I also have found myself really enjoying my hobbies more. This has resulted in a lot of 3d printer filament purchases, so my impulse control may not have been helped much.
As far as experimenting on yourself, it will likely require the cumulative effect of weeks or months to notice changes in non-food habits if such changes occur at all.
There's probably some online doctor that will prescribe this thing to you for several hundred dollars/euros or whatever. You may suffer greatly for your curiosity, though. There are instances of very unpleasant side effects, some of which I experience personally.
Depending on your appetite for risk, there's always the gray market. It's also a lot cheaper depending on what your insurance covers. I think I picked up a year's supply of semaglutide for under $200. I've been on some form of GLP for the last 2 years and for me there have been several tangible benefits related to ADHD.
I'll note that calling it the gray market really is people uncomfortable with the idea of buying drugs from a drug dealer trying to find a way to make this more palatable.
That's not a judgment thing on my part - I've got a freezer full of Chinese peptides, among other things.
But the raw API on all of this stuff is coming from China in a way that is effectively unregulated and with no recourse if anything goes wrong. Underground Chinese labs get raided and shut down (usually because they're also involved in producing AAS or opioid precursors) often leaving millions of dollars in unfulfilled product. People get peptides with 0 active ingredient. People get peptides contaminated with disinfectant and have adverse reactions. People get mislabeled peptides. People get radically underdosed or overdoses peptides. And when a controversy hits, these labs close up shop one day and come back a week later under a new name. If you get a vial full of something truly harmful to you and you die, your loved ones have zero recourse.
Your local weed dealer has infinitely more accountability than these labs.
Testing isn't a panacea - people do endotoxin, heavy metal, HPLC, etc., but GCMS and similar basically never happens - and without knowing what the potential substances are the automatching to peaks even for GCMS is often inaccurate to the point of uselessness."Purity" reports on HPLC don't measure everything in the vial - just how pure the targeted peak is. It'll catch protein depredations, but it wouldn't tell you if there was a bunch of anthrax in the vial.
For me, the calculus still makes sense. I've got access to things that have worked incredibly well for me that are not yet available in the US, or in some cases, not likely to ever be. But the "gray" market is buying from overseas drug dealers that don't particularly give a fuck about you. They don't want to hurt you - you spend less money if they do - but they also aren't going out of their way to look after you. Most of them only started HPLC tests because the bodybuilding community demanded it, and these guys were selling AAS and HGH to them before they got into the GLP-1s, and then it became the standard.
These aren't parallel import goods getting sold in areas where they aren't supposed to or unauthorized retailers. These are drug dealers that get shut down by the Chinese government on a regular basis. Go look up QSC, SSA, SRY - and those are just some of the biggest names from the past year or so.
I like to call it the "gray" market because the substances themselves are gray, not because of their source. My weed dealer doesn't sell GLPs (yet, but I can see that coming). I haven't seen anyone arrested for having GLPs yet either-- although I have seen plenty of US based vendors have to close up shop due to legal pressure.
I do that believe that risk can be (mostly) mitigated, mainly by sticking with longstanding vendors and by trying to minimize risk with the actual substances (researching proper dosing protocol, batch testing, not assuming dosing, starting out on lower dosing with new kits etc). There is definitely risk associated, that said I'm often dabbling in non-FDA approved substances, so regardless I have zero recourse if something happens.
Are there any testing/safety protocols that you follow?
> I haven't seen anyone arrested for having GLPs yet either-- although I have seen plenty of US based vendors have to close up shop due to legal pressure.
> I do that believe that risk can be (mostly) mitigated, mainly by sticking with longstanding vendors and by trying to minimize risk with the actual substances (researching proper dosing protocol, batch testing, not assuming dosing, starting out on lower dosing with new kits etc)
Bunch of longstanding vendors have had issues. SRY was one of the biggest names for direct-from-China, shipped peptides contaminated by disinfectant, caused severe reactions for some people. Nexaph is one of the biggest names now in the US, has tons of testing, etc., but got a batch a while back from whoever their manu is in China that had some unknown excipient that got played off as a "test formulation," etc.
Batch testing helps, but it requires the original lab to have actually adhered to the batches in a way that others can track, which isn't always the case. Sometimes top colors span multiple batches, tests on the vendor spreadsheet don't necessarily correspond to the batch being sold if you're trusting their testing, etc.
> Are there any testing/safety protocols that you follow?
Not much. I use a 22um PES filter into a cartridge and inject from it for a few weeks and call it a day. I don't even bother with my own testing at jano unless I have reason to believe something is off and need to confirm.
But I never got my LSD or DMT or anything tested before either so my risk tolerance is basically "eh, send it." I just can't in good conscience recommend people follow that same risk tolerance (though I won't begrudge adults the right to make informed decisions to inject basically anything they want into themselves, either.)
It would probably be interesting, but if you are not overweight, the appetite suppression will likely make this not a very healthy or very fun experiment. I started at 5mg in October, and even on that smaller dose I had to force myself to eat even just ~800kcal a day - especially in the early weeks. When you have a lot of weight to lose, that's a pretty welcome effect. When you are already at a healthy weight, not so much. That caloric intake would put most adults into a pretty deep caloric deficit.
I'd suspect if the effects on non-weight indications check out in studies, we might see drugs that could specifically target those effects without also slowing down your digestive tract. Addictions like nicotine and alcoholism and their consequences cost health insurance companies (and us as a society) billions of Euros/Dollars each year, so there'd be a strong incentive to pursue this.
>Maybe the age of new and interesting apps is over?
it's a shame it really feels this way! i discovered some fun social apps recently like Bump and Retro that are a refreshing break from the big algoscrollers, but all my friends are either too locked into the existing big social apps or are determined to not mess with any social apps at all.
i think about this a lot and i genuinely believe that for every fringe diet or supplementation regimen, there exists a population it would genuinely benefit, for at least some point in their lives
but it's tricky to figure out and i assume the consensus rules are good enough for most people
I’m ashamed that I have this wish that I were overweight and had an excuse to try a GLP1 just to see how it would affect my impulse control with non-food habits.
I guess there’s not much stopping me from buying some unregulated drugs from the internet and self-experimenting, but I haven’t heard experiences from people deliberately using them for anything but weight.
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