"styled" seems entirely pointless here.

One habit introduced to my current team by a former co-worker involves having even more intermediate keys than that:

    const sensitiveEnv = [...];
    const envKeys = Object.keys(envars)
    const safeKeys = envKeys.filter(envar => !sensitiveEnv.includes(envar));
    const safeEnv = safeKeys.map(envar => `${envar}=${envars[envar]}`).join(' ');
    const styled = chalk.dim(`$ ${envStr}`, 'node', args.join(' '));
    console.log(styled);

Now, of course, with a pipe operator (or other similar constructions) you can get the consistency without the intermediate names.

I'm also one of those people that likes single-letter variables. I know some people hate it with a passion, but I find it very convenient. Just makes it easier to read as there's less to read.

I'm not smart enough to do Haskell, so I can't say much about that.

I agree with your remarks, there's no right or wrong, it's like tabs and spaces.

Btw I'm also not smart enough for Haskell, but it hasn't stopped me so far ;)

This is why I'm happy to see the pipe syntax proposal, it avoids unnecessary temporary variables while simultaneously aiding readability.

The thing is I don't think it's all that much more readable. No matter which syntax you use, there's still the same number of "things" going on in a single statement.

I do have to admit I never worked with a language that uses |>, so I'm sure that with increased familiarly with this it would become "more readable" to me, but one has to wonder: just how many calling syntaxes does one language have to support? More syntax also means more potential for confusion, more ways to abuse the language/feature, more "individual programming styles", more argueing over "should we write it like this or that?", more overhead in deciding how to write something, harder to implement the language and write tooling for it, and things like that.

There is always a trade-off involved. The question to ask isn't "would this be helpful in some scenarios?" because the answer to that is always "yes" for practically any language feature. The question to ask "is this useful enough to warrant the downsides of extra syntax?" I'm not so sure that it is, as it doesn't really allow me to do anything new that I couldn't do before as far as I can see. It just allows me to make things that are already too complex a bit more readable (arguably).

Have you never worked with Bash? It's basically the same thing

Given that the OP stated that they like the pipe syntax, and the refactored version illustrates the hoops you'd have to jump through without it, I guess your comment is just a strange way to agree with the OP?

personally i detest pointfree syntax. having intermediate values makes it much easier to step through code with a debugger & see what is happening. and it gives the reader some name for what the thing is, which is incredibly useful context. the enablement of pointsfree styles is one of my main concerns about potential pipe operator syntaxes: the various syntaxes that have been raised often introduce implicit variables which are passed, and i greatly fear the loss of clarity pointsfree style brings.

maybe there's something beyond the pointsfree vs not debate here that i'm missing, that makes you dislike the refactored example. personally i greatly enjoy the flatness, the step by step production of intermediate values, each of which can be clearly seen, and then assembled in a last final clear step. that is much more legible to me than one complex expression.

In languages that more easily support repl-driven development (e.g. Clojure), I think this is less of an issue. If you have a handful of pure functions, you can quickly and easily execute them via the repl, so you get a lot of clarity as to what those intermediate values look like even if the functions are ultimately used in a more point-free style.

But on the other hand, this would be a nightmare in C# (what I use in my day job). Sure, you can execute arbitrary expressions while debugging C#, but IMO you can't really achieve the same clarity. I'd rather see intermediate values like you suggest since it's easier while debugging, vs a bunch of nested function calls.

(1) named intermediate values are sometimes more readable ... though I have examples where it's very hard to come up with names and not sure it helped

(2) debugging is easier.

For (2) though, this IMO is a problem with the debugger. The debugger should allow stepping by statement/expression instead of only by line (or whatever it's currently doing). If the debugger stopped at each pipe and showed in values (2) would mostly be solved. I used a debugger that worked by statements instead of lines once 34 years ago. Sadly I haven't seen once since. It should be optional though as it's a tradeoff. Stepping through some code can get really tedious if there are lots of steps.

I have tools that can do it, but I'll still have a better time splitting out a variable for it, especially since what I really want is a log of all the intermediate values, so I can replicate what it's doing on paper

https://interface-experience.org/objects/xerox-star-8010-inf...

I see a lot of posts but it's very rare that there's a reply or conversation in even 1% of them

Don’t confuse:

"I’m discovering it now" with "it’s new and will not last long"

and

"Because I’m new, I don’t have the code thus very few engagement" with "there’s no engagement there".

The interaction we used to see on Twitter is largely dead as well. Few people with followings in the thousands will engage with someone outside their small circle. Many block for trivial reasons. It's not what it was a decade ago.

Still love RSS :D

You don't think mastadon (sp) will be around for long. How much longer do you think it has? Mastodon began 6 years ago and has seen nothing but upward growth since.

Less than 1% of tweets have replies or conversations. Most of what people have to say just isn't interesting.