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dear dude in the middle wearing the echo nest t-shirt -- WHO ARE YOU, we'll send you a later edition


(offtopic): I can attest that the current echonest t-shirts are the best startup shirts I've ever seen. Wear mine with some frequency.


Who's door do I have to beat down to get one?


yeah, the new john allison ones put the old logo ones to shame, i hate to see the old style still in the wild.


I just noticed the dude in the white v-neck thingy -- WHO ARE YOU and what are you doing with your hands?!


if you really wanna get in touch with him hit me up j at okfoc.us


hah -- any one of you would do the same faced with an overzealous auto-linker js on IRCCloud, a discussion there about the README.md it points to and access to a corporate credit card. it was very funny at the time, i promise. here's our "announcement": http://blog.echonest.com/post/9332881544/new-pyechonest-on-g...


I really don't think Google built Apple's Mail.app client. Do you have any link or information about this?


The article says "He quoted an NBC spokesman as saying: "Our social media department was actually alerted to it by Twitter and then we filled out the form and submitted it."

I can read this in one of two ways: Twitter (the company) alerted NBC, or Twitter users on the social network Twitter alerted NBC. There's not much clarity there, but obviously the former is scary and confusing and the latter happens all the time.


the former is scary

Depends a lot on context. If Twitter had said "FYI, one of your e-mail addresses is currently publicly visible on our service, expect a deluge of e-mail", I don't see a huge problem. If they said "Hey, want us to ban this guy?" then that's something different.


From here[1]:

The team working closely with NBC around our Olympics partnership did proactively identify a Tweet that was in violation of the Twitter Rules and encouraged them to file a support ticket with our Trust and Safety team to report the violation, as has now been reported publicly.

Looks like your latter situation is exactly how it went down.

[1] http://blog.twitter.com/2012/07/our-approach-to-trust-safety...


OK then.. this is serious.


She has updated her comments with a link to the actual email from Apple:

http://hollylisle.com/apple-made-its-decision-my-turn/commen...

My reading of this is a complete miscommunication. Nowhere in Apple's email does it state they had a problem with content. I really have no idea how she jumped to that conclusion. The very simple and likely explanations are either (1) she did not remove all links or (2) the reviewer did not closely check to see if she removed all links.


In other words, yet another story about Apple "censorship" that turns out not to be about Apple censorship.

People make a big deal of it when it first comes out and bash Apple when its on the front page of HN.

Now that it has turned out to be false, it is no longer on the front page of HN.

Next time someone says something bad about Apple, the denizens of HN will talk about how "apple's always censoring" and this will be one of the stories they're talking about.

Just as they said effectively the same thing in this comment.

HN has been overrun with ideology. It is a shame.


Don't see any emails about the content block that she is referring to this post. I see emails about previous issues of her having links to Amazon in her ebooks. I am very curious about this, because I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection -- and a quick search of the iBook store shows tons of books about Amazon itself, things like "How to Self Publish on the Amazon Kindle" et al.


From http://hollylisle.com/crippling-apple-ibookstore-ethical-and..., quoting Ms Lisle:

'I received an email from Apple’s iBookstore that How To Think Sideways—Lesson 6: How to Discover (or Create) Your Story’s Market has been pulled for containing links to a “Competing Website” and that in order to have the lesson put back on sale, I’ll have to remove the offending links.'

I'm strongly inclined to believe that she is being truthful and fair in representing that received email based on her tone and responses in the comments [at least] of her site. She seems only concerned with allowing students using Apple products to buy an uncrippled/non-bawdlerised product.

>I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection //

Indeed, it appears she links to Amazon in the ebook as that is [she says] the only place that one can learn the technique she is teaching.

Edit:

Apologies I think I went in too soon with that comment. It appears it is much worse for Apple:

Quoting Ms Lisle again (http://hollylisle.com/apple-made-its-decision-my-turn/?awt_l...) 'You don’t tell someone “The problem is the live links,” and then, when that person has complied with your change request and removed the live links, turn around and say, “No, no. The problem is the CONTENT. You can’t mention Amazon in your lesson.'

So it sounds like she complied by removing links and then they told her it wasn't the links but the content.


There's a difference between believing someone's honesty and trusting someone's interpretation. I believe she's being honest; that she is telling the truth as she sees it. But I would like to judge for myself what Apple said.


Verily. Here interpretative skills don't appear to be impaired (see her comments on [paraphrasing] 'this is not censorship it's business practice') and there is so little to interpret in being asked [initially] to remove only live links in order to get an ebook allowed that I can't readily see how it's an issue of objectivity. Hence my inclination towards trusting her presentation of the situation.

My initial thought was that it might be affiliate links she'd included but then her failure to mention such a thing would be brazen dishonesty IMO and not [accidental] situational interpretative failure or simple bias.


I think it's more likely than not that her interpretation would agree with mine, but it's still an unknown. The parent post of this thread was asking if we could remove that unknown, so I think it's quite reasonable.


At http://hollylisle.com/apple-made-its-decision-my-turn/commen..., she doesn't show anything else then Apple's complaint:

   Book file contains links from competitors: Amazon,
   in the chapter Q&A 6, under “Question 9″
From there, She claims:

   As noted, however, I HAD changed the lesson, HAD removed
   the links, HAD complied with their request. Since the
   links were gone, their only possible objection—NOT STATED
   —was content.
There is no way for us to verify whether she removed all those links. Even if she did, I can think of explanations that are at least as likely (e.g. human error on either side) as the conclusion she IMO jumps to.

Disclaimer: I have zero experience dealing with the iBookStore.


>their only possible objection—NOT STATED—was content //

Saw this today and was disappointed. Think she over-egged it at least.


"I doubt just saying the word "Amazon" can really be an instant rejection"

Neither she nor anyone else is claiming that, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.


Huh? The link title says: "iBookstore rejects Holly Lisle's writing course because she mentions Amazon"


1) Not "instant rejection". 2) Not "just saying the word Amazon".


She isn't claiming it is an instant rejection I don't think. But it sounds like they flagged it initially based on links, she removed the links and then they said it was actually the content itself.


A Big Six publisher had an eBook rejected by Apple because it mentioned there was also a Kindle edition available.


Just an FYI, the existence of content in an Apple Store does not mean that the content is in anyway approved by Apple. Rather, it was approved by a single reviewer. You can submit something, get denied for a specific reason, and then resubmit and get a new reviewer, and get through without an issue.

Furthermore, the existence of content does not mean your content/app that has the same feature will be let in. Heck, during review, you can comment on the fact that other content/apps has or does exactly what you are doing, but that does not matter in any way.


Well, it wouldn't exactly be the first time Apple is inconsistent in the application of their own rules.


dalton, i saw a dear friend support you over my twitter and I clicked but have NO IDEA what this does? Seriously, I am pretty internet savvy but all I read was "feed platform" and how you weren't going to sell my data-- but what data? What is it? you might want to update the landing page a bit :)

https://twitter.com/fascinated/status/223906673457238016

edit: I see i am not the only one. Sorry for the noise, but maybe take it as another vote for more clarity.


duly noted, we have been tweaking the copy and are re-editing the video right now.

thank you for communicating in a constructive way :)


ace, i dug in after the initial read and of course am behind it all. will check it out again after the copy update. good luck!!


I was very upset when I saw that result but a good scientist never shows his bias :(

I do really think that once we get better at "artist evolvement" (separating Pink Floyd into two or three separate artists as they had very distinct phases) the PF signifier will drop. I only listen to Syd and "It Would Be So Nice" era PF and definitely am not a Romney booster.


Everybody becomes The Man over time. The CEOs of today were getting stoned in their dorm rooms in the 70s and 80s.


Even if you divide it, what do you get, the relativist, existentialist, anti-war and anti-corporate mainstream era contrasted with the full-on acid freak hippie Syd era? Both seem pretty culturally liberal to me.


Maybe, would be cool to try it on location data! As I stated in there, we only used TPs that had US set as location, so the data will be very US-focused.


It's actually a "manifest" -- a list of things that are included (well, should be included) -- in any hack event.


I guess he was misled by the URL and title of the document, both of which say Manifesto and not manifest.

On a less snarky note (sorry about that), it seems like a good check list for putting together an event I'd like to attend. As someone else noted, none of the demo-parties and hackathons I've attended have ever checked off every box. On the other hand, it might be a cultural thing -- I imagine these events to be more developed around the valley where they're more common.


This checklist seems very centred on the UK hackday format (which I very much enjoy). I've noticed US hackdays have a somewhat different culture, with different expectations, as do gamejams, etc


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