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In almost any category conceivable (police presence on the streets, incarceration weights, bureaucratic oversight), the PRC is significantly more libertarian than the US. It is true that the CIA has invested a tremendous amount of energy and money into political issues designed to delegitimize the CCP -- Tibet, Falun Gong, and Taiwan. Liberalizing speech around these topics would likely be more efficient counterstrategy than the current approach, which is a remnant of an older model of socialist statecraft.


"Any category conceivable" here means "a bunch of categories I cherry-picked."

I can "conceive" of many categories in which the US is less totalitarian: freedom of speech and of the press, judicial independence, not having to show ID to buy train tickets or prepaid SIM cards, freedom of assembly, severity of punishment for minor drug crimes, ...

The US isn't perfect, but let's not exaggerate.



Libertarianism depends on the rule of law. A central party system where the government always has total authority and is exempt from even the rules it sets is kinda the opposite of libertarian.


If you understand the population distribution in the PRC, have spent time in a Tier 2 or Tier 3 city, and think deeply about economic growth, the idea that the Chinese economy could "crash" is laughable: there is a vast pool of emerging customers that will continue to fuel growth over the foreseeable future. The question is whether global trends, especially related to climate change driven instability, will interfere in the emergence of the socialist/communist market economy. If you find a contradiction in the conception of a socialist/communist market economy, check Dominic Losurdo's "Has China Turned to Capitalism?—Reflections on the Transition from Capitalism to Socialism" published in the March 2017 issue of International Critical Thought.


Although a Socialist (using this in the sense of lower-stage Communist, rather than as Marx used it as synonymous with Communism) market economy can be practicable, China does not have it - most notably because there is wage labour and private property is protected by the State. The State is also not in democratic control of the workers. These rule out China from being either a Socialist country or having a Socialist (market or not) economy.


Thank you for saying truth.


Hehe. I was reading https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14154898 recently and it included this pithy Hamlet quotation.

This above all: to thine own self be true,

And it must follow, as the night the day,

Thou canst not then be false to any man.


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I'd love to read about this. Been trying to create this kind of worker owned firm in the media space for many years now. Am close to getting it but it's been tough for the reasons that you are talking about: people who aren't fully in it.


It's taken Sander, the CEO of the company I'm referring to a decade and several iterations to get it right. What's even more amazing to me is that their company culture is improving over time rather than getting worse (and that's with an increase in headcount).


I'd be interested in reading about this as well. I've been keeping an eye on Buffer for a while now because I'm fascinated by their culture and business philosophy, and I've been watching the development of B Corps to see if eventually they'll prove viable. However idealistic, OP's headline caught my attention for the same reasons. I think the bottom line (P&L) is important, but I also feel that current corporate structures can elevate its importance to an unhealthy degree, leading to negative externalities and short-term-ism. If and when I start a company, I'd like to follow a holistic approach to value creation that takes these things into account, but there is precious little out there about how to do it successfully. It'd be great to have more info out there about these approaches!


25+ employees and growing, solid revenues, solid year-on-year growth. If they manage to keep this going another 2 to 3 years at the present rate I'd see that as total validation of the concept. On a longer time-scale you still have all the other corporate pitfalls but that's business as usual.

I'll ask the company for permission to write it up.


I too would love to read about a "hybrid" solution such as this (esp. muistakes made between iterations).


There's also a genocide against the black nation going on in the US, but they don't talk about that too much, do they.


What exactly are you referring to?


The US is a genocidal state and has been one since it began. Any technologists working for the state are complicit in genocide.


As an EMT who may some day use this, I respectfully disagree. This network is for first responders, not some arm of the military. This sort of system will be used to respond to terrorist attacks, not support them. It will literally be used to save lives.


What?


Thank you for this important message. Genocide is going on right now in the US, but at a slow pace, and disguised by bullshit.


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The other comments in this subthread are bad enough by HN's standard, but this is clearly worse. We asked you before not to post like this, so I've banned the account..


> Whites are currently being replaced with Latinos and other non-Whites in the US

"Replacing" and "adding" are different things.

> Soon people of majority White European descent will become a minority

Okay. As a person of majority White European descent, I'm not clear why I should be specifically concerned about this.


Uber isn't going to exist


Don't burn yourself on that hot take.


There is not a single Chinese "regime" - the space of contestation of politics is simply different than in the US. There's an enormous amount of sometimes extremely emotionally intense conflict within the CCP.


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