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Sounds a bit like playing with ice-nine...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice-nine


Starting to see more & more of this with drones. In some cases, it's for military to detect drones nearby. In others, it's being used by drone delivery companies to detect other planes in the sky in a way that is cheaper, works in low-visibility, and doesn't use the same power requirements as radar.

It's double-speak. Neither company cares; they're just relying on plausible deniability while burying their heads in the sand. They will change only if there's sufficient pressure (financial, regulatory, social or some combination thereof).

Maybe it's the first use of phased arrays for consumer satellite data terminals, but I believe phased arrays were mass-produced (and still are) for radar chips -- e.g. in automotive. Ran across this fascinating article on the history:

https://www.microwavejournal.com/articles/20469-automotive-r...


Good point. To my knowledge most of these radars are MIMO, which are more capable than phased arrays but it's a different architecture. Also these radar systems usually have on the order of 10 antenna elements (although this number is increasing), whereas the starlink terminal has something like 1000 antenna elements, if I remember correctly.

There was the 'Squarial' from 1990 used by BSB, this was 'just' a receiver though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squarial


They were also produced for WirelessHD enabled TVs in the late 2010s. I.e the SiBeam SB9210 chip

>. for radar chips -- e.g. in automotive.

The hacker in me is dying to know what the starlink antenna could pe re-purposed to do in terms or radar.

Has anobody tried it or at least did the math of what it could do in that regard?


As long as you can position yourself behind the phase-shifters and the frequency is high enough (usually > 10GHz) it should be fairly easy to do.

The better website for Bay Area tech company dissolution is https://svdisposition.com/ which gets actual high-tech equipment...


> These all come down to arguments about semantics and don't add anything to the science.

This accurately describes much of science...

> My heart can exist independently of me, and be transplanted into other people, but does it mean that it is alive?

The cells that comprise your heart are very much alive, but they will die without support infrastructure. They live, they replicate, they die -- like every cell in your body. If I relocate you to the moon without support infrastructure, you would die too -- and yet (I think?) you are probably alive.


"Very much alive," in the sense of being a living organism in their own right. By that standard, each cell in the human body can also be considered a separate living organism, simply cooperating with other humans cells in a complex way. It makes sense, since we have no problem identifying the trillions of bacteria cells living on or in the human body as separate living organisms.


"Sperm and egg cells, known as gametes, fuse during fertilization to create a zygote. "

Since all humans were just 2 cells at one point. It seems to follow that the entirely of the code for what a human is, is contained in just those 2 cells. Not just code for a finger. But even code for our deeply ingrained fear of snakes. Was just at one point contained in those 2 cells. Kind of blows your mind.

If they are separate living organisms, then there seems something recursive about humans if they can be just 2 cells at one point.


I know this is not exactly your point, but it's important to remember that it's not exactly everything. The intra-uterine environment has a serious contribution to your development, and almost certainly transplanting the fecundated cell into a different mother would lead to a different person being born. Especially when it comes to things like intestinal flora, which mostly seems to get "seeded" from the mother during birth. Even the milk you ingest after birth significantly influences certain aspects of your basic biology (mostly the immune system).


No. The expression of genes is controlled by their environment. We are products of both nature and nurture.


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> everything that they will be when fully grown is contained there in that tiny little life

No, that's not true. Those two cells require a lot of care and nurturing and education before they become a person.

Have you heard of HeLa cells?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa

They have a full compliment of human DNA, but no one in their right mind would argue that they are a person.

[UPDATE] This pithy slogan just occurred to me: a zygote is a person like a set of blueprints is a house.


They're as much a human as some living cells I shed on the floor. Alive and genetically human.

Being a person involves some level of thought, not just existing. If you ripped my brain completely out, and kept my body alive, most would consider the brain removal the time of death. That's when the person they knew died.


When you get a scrape and you bleed, thousands of your cells burst forth and die. Each has the same set of information necessary to rebuild an entire person. Have you committed mass murder?


The strongest arguments against abortion don't hinge on whether the fetus is a person. The question of abortion ultimately boils down to whose rights we privilege: those of the mother, or the fetus?


Why would the fetus have any rights that are not automatically defeated by the rights of its mother if it's not a person? All anti-abortion arguments that I'm aware of start by arguing that the fetus deserves the rights of a person, and then proceed from there. Could you present a counterexample?


Sure, a couple I've come across:

"Potentiality" - this view argues that regardless of whether the fetus is a person, it has the potential to become a person, and thus inherits some moral consideration.

"Value of Human Life" - the argument that human life - at any stage of development - has intrinsic value and thus should be protected.


Heck, a sperm and an egg in separate containers have exactly the same information as a fertilized egg. That's a powerful argument for having a clear idea of what creates moral personhood.

Otherwise you're in the same camp that believes a sky daddy breathes a soul into your baby at conception and that IVF is the work of Satan.


In that case, it would also be a good argument against killing any single-celled organism, since it's a life that already exists. But life on Earth is cheap.


Are miscarriages then involuntary manslaughter?


If the miscarriage was caused by reckless or criminal negligence


There is a lot more to a person than genetic code. We are not IKEA chairs and DNA is not the assembly instructions.


I don't think that DNA is just procedural assembly instructions. Though maybe more akin to something like the encoding of a neural network. Granted I have a basic understanding of DNA.


Maybe you saw this paper about that idea - The Genomic Code: The genome instantiates a generative model of the organism.

"Here, we propose a new analogy, inspired by recent work in machine learning and neuroscience: that the genome encodes a generative model of the organism. In this scheme, by analogy with variational autoencoders, the genome does not encode either organismal form or developmental processes directly, but comprises a compressed space of latent variables."

1. https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.15908 2. discussion with the authors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QaMnUBkmz4


Yeah?! You think so? Perhaps yours a strong argument against consumption of anything born this way, renders all meat consumption a bad thing with these same arguments… I bet 5€ you had your burger this morning and it had plenty of already dead cells in it, not to account for the yeast in the bread…


> From the moment the egg is fertilized, a new person exists.

The potential for a new person exists. Just as the potential for new people exist in a collection of sperm and egg cells.

The only difference, which you seem to be latching onto, is that now that potential has been turned into a more specific one. Why do you think that makes any real difference? It seems like an arbitrary and abstract argument that depends on an almost mystical perspective.

> This is a strong argument against abortion.

It really isn't. In fact, it's fallacious, because to accept the argument, you have to accept premises that produce the desired conclusion - i.e. it's question-begging, assuming its conclusion.


You are correct and for this: you are not going to be rewarded for it.

The cognitive dissonance is too strong, this entire subject should honestly be banned from HN.


It would be a so-so argument if it was true. (It is not) How DNA is expressed is a part of the story as well which involves many environmental factors both in utero and after birth.

We do not totally understand how it works, but there are heritable traits not passed via DNA - the one often in the news is women with emotional trauma pass that trauma on to their children, and those children show those symptoms even if raised in a happy home with 0 contact with the mother.

It is a philosophical argument, not a scientific one. One which if we try and reason based on how special nature treats embryos quickly falls apart anyways...


For the most part epigenetic traits seem to be transmitted by DNA too. Rather than being encoded in the pattern of base pairs, the epigenetic changes are made by slightly modifying the structure of individual bases. Think of it as adding tags to instructions.


If something dies surely it was alive once?


> This accurately describes much of science...

It is more related to the philosophy of science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science



Built with his grandfathers axe.

P.S. I'm not implying his grandfather was Gimli even if Gimli theoretically had two grandfathers.


One might say "natural philosophy"


Natural philosophy is what science was called before it was called science.

The philosophy of science is something that has only existed since the practice of science became widespread.


The final categorization is the least interesting part though. If we understand the origins and mechanics of how the once parasitic organism became an integral part of almost all complex life, does arguing the semantics of what label you put on it really add much value?

To reframe it: what you’re really doing is arguing about the definition of alive. In this case my opinion is: who cares. I fail to see how expanding the definition or being precise here adds anything.


> does arguing the semantics of what label you put on it really add much value

Refining the definition of something often helps provoke new understanding and tests of the limit of that refinement. It seems like a critical requirement in the "form a hypothesis" step of the scientific method.


i might be wrong but corporations/institutions never sponsor R&D in all directions so framing/phrasing is vital. but, from a philosophical pov, I agree with you.


> If I relocate you to the moon without support infrastructure, you would die too -- and yet (I think?) you are probably alive.

It seems to me that the alternative to people being alive quite quickly reduces to nothing is alive by way of information theory.


Life is not binary.


Best argument I've heard for Gaia theory, intentionally or not.


We probably can keep a heart alive outside of body, through artificial means, for minutes, maybe hours - and I mean keep it functioning, not just chilling it to slow its death. It's plausible we'll learn to be able to keep it alive for days, months, years, decades. At which point we could say that the "supporting infrastructure" of the rest of a human body isn't necessary for the heart to be independently alive?

What if we do it all on the Moon, or Mars? How does Gaia feel about it? We already know that it's theoretically possible, if not yet achievable in practice, to create artificial environments capable of supporting human life indefinitely - or, on a long enough timescale, bootstrap an independent, self-sufficient biosphere. The two are, in the limit, the same thing anyway.

Or are we going to argue that human technology is, by extension through causality, a part of life on Earth, and therefore a part of Gaia itself? Is Gaia in all of us, and will it persist after Earth dies if humanity is still around somewhere else?

All in all, I suppose the correct definitions of terms are the ones that are most useful in a given context :). "Categories were made for man, not man for the categories", and all that.


  At which point we could say that the "supporting infrastructure" of the rest of a human body isn't necessary for the heart to be independently alive
A human body would be supporting it, inside of itself or not. Similar to Earth and its "independent travelers" today.


Many of the "facts" you "know" are really just useful anecdotes, opinions, approximations or mental shortcuts rather than objective facts. These can still be wildly useful, even if they aren't "true" in the pedantic sense...

As a basic example: Newton's laws aren't a fact. They're extremely useful approximations; to get a more-complete picture you need relativistic effects, quantum effects, etc.

As a rule of thumb: Fact check in proportion to the cost of a mistake.


Fascinating. Any recommended books / bios?


The car you describe is illegal. Backup cameras (and thus a screen too, though needn't be a touchscreen) have been mandatory on all new vehicles since 2018.


* In (very) few countries


Reminiscent of Nikola's semi truck demonstration...


Or Teslas "battery swap" event which actually helped them earn them a huge amount of subsidies from the government. Watching after understanding Elons m.o. it is clearly fake or how else would they have a planned demo on stage with cameras that aren't positioned to show anything that's going on and then that tech they developed was never heard from again. They just distracted the crowd with a video of someone filling up at a gas station


they did have a swapping station in CA they built to get the subsidy. it wasnt fake, just pointless


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