As a long time Linux user I only recently tried my first framework (12), and shortly after got the 13 too because I realized that this is the laptop for me.
I wish I had realized it earlier.
But it's so refreshing as a linux user to use a laptop actually designed for linux, and have everything work so great out of box like battery and wifi.
Sure I've always used Laptops famously Linux-friendly, but it was still hit or miss, especially with new releases, and you always felt like you were breaking warranty somehow.
The entire experience buying a Framework, and using it, has been amazing. I'm hooked.
I've been using ThinkPads with Linux since the T410, T420, T430, T480s, and several others. For me, they've consistently delivered an "everything works out of the box" experience with Ubuntu and/or Fedora, including things like SmartCard readers. I'm currently on a Lenovo X13 Gen 6 (AMD), and the only component that required any tinkering was the 5G WWAN due to FCC unlock issues (see: https://github.com/lenovo/lenovo-wwan-unlock/issues/68
).
One thing many people don't realize is that some Lenovo models can be ordered with Fedora pre-installed. That's a pretty strong signal for Linux compatibility.
I've been watching Framework for years, and among my Linux-using colleagues we have ThinkPads, Frameworks, and Tuxedo machines, so comparisons are easy. I really want to like Framework, but recurring firmware issues, noise (!!), and the lack of built-in 4G/5G antennas have pushed me toward Lenovo every time. That said, I do like the modular idea. I even use a small USB-C adapter permanently to protect the port from wear, almost all docking/monitor issues I've seen over the years came down to worn cables or ports. In that sense, Framework's modules are genuinely appealing.
Yes, that does sound good, but if someone wants an inexpensive laptop that is also “actually designed for Linux”, they should keep in mind Chromebooks. I don’t think of these as competitors to the framework, but as a lower end alternative that is usually overlooked.
kinda similar experience with my thinkpad t14s gen 2 amd (what a name.) I like framework's philosophy, but there's so many refurbished business laptops out there (many unused) that I like upgrading every few years to a 3-4 yr old laptop.
Getting a laptop that's linux certified has been better than I thought, things like sleep and power management "Just Work" whereas on other laptops I'd spend more time configuring TLP or even just hibernating every time because I couldn't get a good sleep experience. Hope this inspires the other manufacturers to work on getting this working out of the box.
I used it for a year or so, with the default servers, worked just fine. We tried to get a group chat over from Signal to SimpleX but were unsuccessful in the end for unknown reasons. It just petered out and I didn't reinstall it on a new phone.
I briefly owned one of the first Loongson netbook laptops, the Lemote I believe it was nicknamed. I've always been very much into open hardware, so I picked one up as soon as I could.
And I believe Debian was the only distro I was able to run on it back then too. Also NetBSD.
I ended up giving it to someone at the local hacker space. It's fun to try but it's not a daily driver.
Didn't Stallman use one as daily driver for a while?
Actually Alpine had support for LoongArch64 well before Debian - I have it running on my machine. Works fine expect for support for the integrated GPU.
I've gotten used to ss now, and I quite like it, I just wish there was an option to not show the send/recv numbers. I never use them and the width is already so wide that the output barely fits into most terminals when you have them split vertically on a laptop screen.
That said though, I'm not going to install snitch. The thing about ss is that it's already there, on every server I manage. And I definitely do not need a TUI for this.
Snitch is something you might install in your homelab, or your workstations. But ss is still the default when you provision a lot of servers.
fair point. ss stays the default on servers because it is already installed.
snitch is for workstation/homelab debugging when i want quicker filtering and selection. also, i do not show send/recv yet, but if i add it later it will be optional (compact mode / toggle) so it fits in split panes.
What I find cute is that every year on the 21st of december a small number of modern day pagans and nature lovers gather at Ales Stenar here in southern Sweden and watch the sun rise over the center stone of the "ship".
We bring thermos bottles, some bring kids, pets, and we just stand there in silence watching the sun.
Afaik it's not coordinated, it's just a bunch of people having the same idea every year.
That's.. neat. I guess lots more people show up for summer solstice though? Or are they occupied with the mainstream-pagan Midsummer celebrations then?
I'll never forget a past job where they used a lot of Excel in ways I did not know was possible.
First of all they had an invoicing system in Excel, that pulled in data using VBS, into Excel templates, and at the press of a button in the UI generated invoices from these templates.
And the craziest part was their server inventory system made in Excel, where they had drawn all the rack cabinets, you could click on each, to drill down and show all the servers in that rack. Also a ton of VBS, you could even get monitoring status of each rack.
Excel has been OP for a long time, long before its Python capabilities.
I can imagine that using eBPF will be faster, but I never really imagined SElinux as slow myself. I guess it's because of all the files that need to be opened, and updating policy.
They probably mean for hyper scaling environments SElinux is slow to use, it is designed for traditional servers that don't change often.
It's interesting to see my old pal SElinux be replaced.
I wish I had realized it earlier.
But it's so refreshing as a linux user to use a laptop actually designed for linux, and have everything work so great out of box like battery and wifi.
Sure I've always used Laptops famously Linux-friendly, but it was still hit or miss, especially with new releases, and you always felt like you were breaking warranty somehow.
The entire experience buying a Framework, and using it, has been amazing. I'm hooked.
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