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Goodbye Windows. I enjoyed WSL for a while, but now everything around it is becoming more and more annoying.

I wish they would offer a signature edition, with all the crap. Wouldn't mind paying a 50% premium for: * all future SW installs opt-in (no force feeding / teams!) * calm by design (no weather, no ads, no news, etc. without user opt-in) * no endless choices (all opt-in stashed away in a single settings page, a single hint to that as part of OOBE) * proper updates, even for third party (use market dominance to enforce security there). It's 2025, you have to be at least on par with Debian's apt. The app store is a mess -- that's not the way to do proper software maintenance; neither is orienting on f*ing app stores from Google, Samsung ... they are all bloated junk dealers; full of the millionth variant of the same crappy slot machine, basically.


Gardens? Gardens that often cool their environments?

Tennis courts: during one of the last droughts the local tennis club kept watering their courts -- sand. The upper class twits give a F* about preserving water. Why should anybody let their plants die for those f*ers who waste it big times?


Well, yes. Also golf courses. You've hit the nail on the head that conservation hairshirt measures need some solidarity, or visibly even handed enforcement, otherwise they're just insulting.

What an euphemism. It's holding hostages. Call it what it is and stop playing "1984".


It's no irony.

Well payed "transatlantic" lobbyists across all political parties of the EU at work.

They are self-serving and learnt to give a big F* about the citizens of the EU.


Sicophants that dream of replacing everybody with an avatar that can be silenced at will and which (not "who", nothing humane left) consumes via /agents/ that decides what /it/ needs.

Empty shells, transfering numbers.

Hell.


Congratulations not one, but _multiple_ Gestapos.

DHS, ICE, ... all doing whatever they are told from the new "above the law".


If you don't bother about any app being able to spoof on your pressed keys: go, use Xorg.

But why stop there, and cope with a multi-user environment? Just boot into single user mode and "chmod a+rwx / -R". A lot of other /problems/ solved too.

/S


> If you don't bother about any app being able to spoof on your pressed keys: go, use Xorg.

The correct response to "All applications can spoof keypresses or act as a keylogger" is "Okay, force user to grant permission before an application does this".

The Wayland response is "No application should be allowed to do this".

Whether you like it or not, sometimes users actually want functionality that you deem is insecure, and you gotta find a way to deliver what Windows, MacOS and X11 all deliver.


How would that experience work on X? Wouldn't any app that accepts keyboard input throw up your suggested permission granting interface? That's pretty much all apps.

Also it's not like global hotkeys don't exist in Wayland.


> How would that experience work on X? Wouldn't any app that accepts keyboard input throw up your suggested permission granting interface? That's pretty much all apps.

That's the point - applications that need to perform malicious looking (but not actually) activity like intercepting or injecting keyboard inputs already work on X! What we are talking about is them not working on Wayland!

> Also it's not like global hotkeys don't exist in Wayland.

There are more features than simply mapping hotkeys, remapping keyboards, etc which already work on consumer computers, such as Windows, MacOS and X. What we are asking for when we complain about Wayland is the same functionality that already exists on Windows, MacOS and X.

Whether the Waylan devs think that the requests are unreasonable or not is, frankly, irrelevant. When everyone but Wayland supports something, the Wayland developers have to justify their decision to go against the norm.

The people asking for the norm typically don't need to justify why they want the norm.


How do accessibility tools work with that? They need to examine and control other running processes.


Fake inputs are done with uinput(kernel interface). Access to the screen is usually over pipewire.


Doesn't writing to /dev/uinput require you to be root? That's way worse security wise than faking X11 inputs. Also you can't direct the inputs to a specific window. That is bound to create problems where events go to the wrong process.

Also PipeWire is an audio interface. A replacement to PulseAudio. That has nothing to do with accessing screens.


> Also PipeWire is an audio interface. A replacement to PulseAudio. That has nothing to do with accessing screens.

No, it's a general audio/video system, including video from cameras and virtual video streams from screen capture; see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#WebRTC_screen_shar... for some discussion.


Didn't know it also does video. But accessibility tools don't just want video, they want APIs to read all text and other GUI structures directly. OCR is just too imprecise and a waste of resources.


And what do you buy with your "triple" income?

A boring mansion, with a boring lawn, in a boring, gated community? -- and all that while the other neighbourhoods are on fire. But at least you can buy $700 sneakers and leave the big garage in style, to work your ass off with a job pretending to "better the world" -- maybe have one or two weeks to fill your social media account with pictures already taken by the millions (you might as well use generative AI).

Congrats to your final destination: hell.


That’s certainly one way to live life, although certainly not the only way. Many people use tech as a path to financial independence. There’s a running joke/groan that the FIRE sub is filled with software engineers making 6 figures.


Its not even that, America pays so much more for food and rent and healthcare that the triple income just gets you "a VCR salesman from the 80s".


Real mode and a multi-user, multi-process OS wouldn't have been a good fit.

(Btw. it's utterly strange that the English Wikipedia doesn't seem to mention anything about "multi-user". One of Linux's /key functionalities/.)


Don't overthink it: get a permission for one or many flag poles ;-)


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