The elephant in the room. Hope to see more light brought to this topic. I believe Anti-US sentiment in China might be at an all-time high and it is only getting flamed by their government.
My contrarian view—the biggest winner of Russian sanctions won’t be Ukraine, it will be China. And perhaps that is why they are choosing to propagate pro-russia sentiment inland.
If you look at the past hour on Hacker News, there are mostly only new anti-Russia posts. The same is true across all media platforms. To me it looks like the Ukraine(and her allies) has intensified a censorship campaign against Russia. Which I guess isn’t terrible but lets call a spade a spade shall we?
> If you look at the past hour on Hacker News, there are mostly only new anti-Russia posts. The same is true across all media platforms. To me it looks like the Ukraine(and her allies) has intensified a censorship campaign against Russia.
Do you usually see lots of pro-Russia posts on HN?
And Chinese ones too. I think it’s fair to assume all sides have supporters. It seems odd to me that people would think there are not russian supporters here. We do not live in a totalitarian society where 100% of people are anti-Russia.
It probably springs off the faulty assumption that HN is only people who live in Silicon Valley and work in well-remunerated tech jobs and hot startups.
What is the current take on supporting Russia’s liberation of Ukraine? Not trolling just playing devil’s advocate. Are we ostracizing these people(Russian supporters)?
Are you fucking kidding us? What does totalitarian country (russia) know about liberty? You must be playing an idiot if you believe that military invasion can be called "liberation".
It seems insane because it is insane. Unfortunately, we already started down this path long ago and it will only get worse until catastrophe. I.e China takes over.
What doesn’t make sense is a resistance to Russia in Ukraine. Ukrainians supporting a hopeless defense against Russia absolutely will die for no reason but their own. They need to flee if Russia will not give them an option to surrender.
Nationalistic sentiment (fatherland, my people, my country, patriotism...) has been carefully nurtured since the rise of the nation states in the late 19th century Europe. So people are conditioned to die in the name of pride.
It's the reason we are seeing any conflict in Europe since WW2: if we decided that people can easily self-proclaim independence with a majority vote (under certain democratic principles) without regard for imaginary borders of countries post-WW2, any pretext for recent conflicts in Europe would be gone.
Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, Donbas would have been split into multiple tiny independent countries, but just maybe, we'd avoid any need for war.
Conditions have to be reasonable and fair for all sides (eg. investment from other parts of the country should be repaid as if they were a loan; if they are pulling significant natural resources, remaining parts should be "compensated"; bigger parts should guarantee freedom of movement for people and goods so no crazy visas and tariffs...).
I, for one, don't see anything natural in insisting on imaginary lines on the map, or in ignoring millenia of history where states have joined and separated repeatedly in different arrangements. UN should step up the game and turn into United People, and we can move towards a more reasonable peaceful future.
Maybe they'll manage to hold on long enough that Europeans/Americans will decide it's a cause worth fighting for.
Or, less high-minded, maybe the Estonians/Latvians/Lithuanians will finally be able to convince the rest of the NATO of the blindingly obvious fact that the next invasion is coming for the Baltic states (NATO) to reconnect Kaliningrad and the Baltic Sea to Russia, and the response to this invasion determines when and if that happpens.
Maybe Ukraine will convince Pacific allies of the blindingly obvious fact that China is intently watching this to see if NATO (and so, it would follow, Pacific alliances) is the house of cards that many suspect it to be.
It's all out in the open now. Russia has attacked NATO (bombed a Turkish vessel) and invaded NATO (jointly-held Snake Island); the equivocating will be seen for exactly what it is. Whether the US should be getting involved in foreign wars is a question long in the past, when we made our alliances. Now, Taiwan, Eastern Europe, and probably the world's faith in US credit (dollars) are in the balance. It's not looking good.
Would you please stop posting flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? You've been doing it a lot, unfortunately, and if you keep it up we're going to have to ban you again. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.
