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“meat & dairy”

It is not false.



Thanks and really appreciate it.

But none of them are available or selling it currently.

Also, the forum looks dead / defunct.

No noticeable activity on any thread! Sad to see such a vibrant community gone extinct.

I know it is not an active area unlike other DIY and the requirements are also very low. But still....!


His intuition is supported by sober experience and understanding of the data. Equating that to your intuition is exactly why so many folks here(and on twitter) got this wrong.


They had kiosks and a dvd by mail service. I think the kiosk business ultimately sold to Redbox.


Interesting. I suffered from canker sores into my early 20's. Finally talked to a Dr, who sent me to a nutritionist. The problem for me was orange juice. I've never been sure what exactly it is in OJ that caused the problem. But I do know that if I drink a glass of processed orange juice today, I'll wake up with a bad canker sore in 2-3 days. If I drink a glass of fresh orange juice for a few days in a row, I'll get the canker sores.


Check out what happens in gestation crates.

Both finning and factory farming are horrific. We don’t need to compare them.


Please share when you do write them up!


And developing countries with rapidly growing middle classes are catching up with the west very quickly.


This is a bit old, but it thoroughly examines why the livestock industry is not sustainable.

https://www.fao.org/3/a0701e/a0701e00.htm


I think it’s fair to say that an industry that’s lasted ten thousand years[1] is sustainable.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle


Densely-quartered urban dwellers eating like sparsely-populated pastoralists is not sustainable. A theory behind the sanctification of cows in India is because a cow kept for its meat feeds far fewer people than one kept for its milk. The same would apply to some of the climate effects, such as the feed crops, although I don't know if it would change the cow-emitted methane.


Was looking for this kind of comment in the thread. I think our cities are the main causes of many problems we are creating in our environment.


Are you a climate change denier? Are you unaware of the changes that have happened in the last ten thousand years?


What is the time span requirements for 'sustainable'?

Everything on Earth will be toast in ~5 billion years.


Not sure what your point is, but agriculture needs to change dramatically in the next couple of decades.

Human civilization/all life that wants to keep existing also needs to change dramatically in the next five billion years but I think that is to be expected.


The problem is scale and cumulative effects.


To add to your point, the affect of the amount of animals bred into existence coupled with how they are treated is devastating the environment.


Indeed. None of these apparent positive gains will matter for very long if we destroy our own ecosystem in the process


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