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This seems to be good for Starlink at the expense of the fiber providers?


Rural fiber at my lake home went from $35/mo for 100/100 to $89.95 this year. On a 12mo contract.

Starlink got my business after VZW forced their 5G boxes to use 5G and not allow forced LTE usage. 5G is unusable there with 60-100/0.03. I force my phone to use LTE and all is well but 5G just does not work.

I hate giving Elon money but it’s the only affordable month-to-month option now.


Where do you live? Because Starlink is double my current internet plan for half the bandwidth and at least 10x in latency.

I am not seeing a plan on Starlink’s website that is lower than $120 a month for unlimited data.

I live in rural Ohio.


It depends where you live what you get. I was able to get $80/mo Residential Lite service which should top out at 150 but I routinely see 400+ mbit down. Latency is around 20-25ms on average for me.

My lake home is in Central MN.


Interesting that there is a significant price disparity between locations for what is ostensibly a global service. Central Minnesota isn’t that different in terms of availability of services from my corner of Ohio either. We have 3 fiber providers in the area but even then if you are half a mile out of the service area it can cost a fortune. I just wanted to validate your claim of Starlink’s price competitiveness and at least for my address it is one of the worst offerings available to me at least.


It's not really a global service in terms of service area, it's many many many small service zones. You can only be serviced by the satellites overhead after all.

You're competing for the amount of bandwidth in your cell. If there's more people in your area wanting service, it makes sense it's more expensive. There's a fixed supply and highly variable demand per square mile.


> Interesting that there is a significant price disparity between locations for what is ostensibly a global service.

… is it? Why wouldn't a corporation use any and all data available to them to price discriminate as hard and as much as they possibly can?

> my corner of Ohio either. We have 3 fiber providers in the area

I … am not sure I believe that. Everywhere I think I have ever lived, broadband is a local monopoly.


In Kitsap county the municipality owned lines can be used via a service contract with any number of service providers. Kinda a monopoly and kinda not.


That is the right way of doing it. It does not make any sense to have 3 companies building last-mile infrastructure in a neighbourhood, but you can have multiple service providers competing and using the same cables. But then, public oversight on the de-facto infrastructure monopoly is critical.


… so it's another Chattanooga. These are highly exceptional cases, compared to most of the nation.

(They seem to work well, from what I've read of them.)


Rural telephone cooperatives that moved to fiber tend to provide an alternative in places where cable companies were the dominant urban option. Some of those cable companies also moved to fiber. The service areas end up overlapped and some competition keeps prices in check.


I only have one FTTH connection to my house, but if I stretched I could probably claim “3 fiber providers in the area” - the local cable co does FTTN with 2000/200 service and there’s an independent fibre provider that serves multi-unit buildings in the downtown.


Yeah, a regulatory goal that can be met by FiOS today but will take Starlink billions to get there does not seem like the correct way to allocate federal funds.

Brendan Carr's has critiqued federal broadband spending: too much spent on rebuilding existing networks to be faster, not enough going towards new build out. This is because upgrading wealthy customers' internet leads to increased profit, and there is less money in serving the underserved. Several states have tried fighting the telecom companies on what they've delivered and I think the worst case was a slap on the wrist.

Starlink and 5G are likely increasing broadband coverage far faster than fiber, which is a big goal of federal broadband spending.


The new FCC Chairman Brendan Carr is very pro-Starlink. Honestly Starlink is the best rural Internet access in the short term but any government subsidies going into Starlink are not going into fiber which has higher speed long term.


Yeah drawing the right line on what's rural is probably key.


Yeah cause they're not going to have to compete with real bandwidth availability.

given the new shiny one (that hasn't launched) is topping out at 1Tb of downlink (with half of it going to backhaul) and the current units are 80 Gb/s


It's good for incumbent terrestrial cable companies, too.


- They removed WSJ from the White House press pool because of the Epstein story

- Elon is still stoking the Epstein stuff on Twitter as we speak

It’s not good for Starlink for that reason. We are inside the belly of fascism, so your question reads like someone oblivious, with all due respect.



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If the course is less than $2k or $3k (can't remember the exact figure), the regulations don't apply. Also, it depends on who the payer is. If the purchasers are solely companies (think corporate training), this regulation doesn't apply.


Yeah it's $2k


This isn't the first time that the CA regulator (BPPE) has surprised code schools with cease-and-desist letters :)

That said, we (App Academy) found that the BPPE was a mostly accommodating regulator that worked with us to come into compliance. We did face a couple challenges that will likely still exist today:

1) BPPE won't give approval to operate until the whole application process is completed. This means that Lambda School is likely operating without approval and will continue to do so for 6-12 months at a minimum. Contracts are unenforceable during this period, the school could be forced to shut down CA operations overnight, etc.

2) BPPE doesn't have a formal policy for Income Share Agreements (ISAs). We were able to get our ISA approved in 2015, but it took some doing and was not nearly as straightforward as getting a normal tuition contract approved. Several other ISA programs that applied a year or two after us were not approved.

More info: https://venturebeat.com/2014/01/30/california-bootcamp-will-...


I can't say much publicly, except to say that nearly everything you just said is wrong.


Totally possible that things have changed in the intervening ~5 years, but that was our experience at the time.


Seems likely. I think they have wrapped their mind around code bootcamps a tiny bit now. They still haven't fully wrapped their minds around the ISA yet, but that's doable too.


Web dev. The stack is Rails/React/Redux but we do spend a significant amount of time on language/framework agnostic skills so that folks can pick up new tech fast and so that they have the tools to transition into other fields of software engineering such as mobile.


Lol good point. It is worth mentioning that a lot of folks with no college degree (sometimes without a high school degree) have successfully been placed in awesome dev jobs with this same curriculum through App Academy. Folks from top 3 (or even top 25) schools are definitely in the minority at App Academy.


Dupe submission was allowed by mods through HN’s second-chance queue system (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380)


Gotcha.


Hey all! We launched App Academy on HN 6 years ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4505752), and since then a lot’s happened. We’ve graduated and placed thousands of folks as engineers and actually placed more people as software engineers at Google (30 vs 22) than UC Berkeley has since 2016! Today, we are fulfilling a dream that I’ve had for some time: to put the whole curriculum online, for free. We’ve built a learning platform around it and we’re really excited to give people a taste (or the whole thing!) of the curriculum to help you understand what we’re about.


What is your source for placing more software engineers at google the UC Berkeley? Looking at the 2017 career destination surveys https://career.berkeley.edu/Survey/2017Majors Computer Science https://career.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/Survey/2... has 21 Software engineers at google from the 40% who responded to the survey and Electrical Engineering and Computer Science https://career.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/pdf/Survey/2... has 15 Software engineers at google from the 41% who responded.


What does the paid service offer that this free one doesn't? I'm assuming career guidance/placement. If that's the case, will completing this free offering still grant me access to a better career?


We have 2 paid options. The mentorship option is a $29.99/month subscription to a Slack channel (i.e. chat room) with one or more App Academy instructional staff 60 hours a week (M-F 6AM-6PM). If it sounds like an insanely good deal, that's because it is :) The placement based plan is the same experience as our full-time, in-person course, but online. You get instructional support, live q&a, pair programming, career support, etc. On this option, we don't get paid until you find a job, so we keep fighting until you do. In that case, it's 17% of your salary for two years, up to $30k total.


Great, thanks for the response!


Free version teaches you things. Just like many other resources of self-learning. In that way it gives you access to a better career. Not sure what else you might mean.


Yes, of course. I wasn't trying to denigrate that aspect. Just wondering if there were any other perks the paid version provides.


Thanks!

We’ve tried to build a gentle ramp for folks with no programming experience so I’d definitely recommend it as an option for a total newbie! Also, because it is a completely integrated curriculum, they’ll be able to seamlessly transition from beginner to more intermediate concepts :)


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