Proton provided user information in 10,368 requests in 2024

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43578106

They had to, in order to comply with the Swiss law. The discussion you linked links to an official Proton page, so at least they're honest about the data they must disclose

I can't believe they'd recommend Spotify in an listicle about surveillance avoidance.

No, it's not about surveillance avoidance. It's about US surveillance avoidance. Also, Spotify is listed under "More European alternatives to US tech giants" not "Privacy-focused European alternatives". So they're not even stating it's privacy focused, they're just saying it's not USA.

But I do agree with you, if I wanted to avoid music surveillance in general I would avoid Spotify.

> No, it's not about surveillance avoidance. It's about US surveillance avoidance.

Feeding your personal data to european spyware to "own the burgers"...

I would say that up until now, people should be more afraid of us surveillance than eu one...

I would choose no surveillance if I could though

What has Norway got to do with any of this?

If you are in the US and want to use European alternatives to avoid surveillance by US tech companies, then the NSA has free rein to intercept/decode/record everything you do that crosses US country borders. Also everything outside of US borders is considered fair game. Maybe the same is true of Europe and European borders? Even if your data is in a safe place, do the API's take the data across borders when used? Do you need to continually check the network route your data travels across to make sure it stays within borders?

Considering the current administration’s lack of respect for rule of law, I personally would not place much value on relying on these limits.

Especially given other administrations’ attempts to stretch surveillance authority, which happened under… less boisterous actors.

Yeah, try these if you prefer EU surveillance.

So far, the anti-E2EE proposals have been rejected, but we don't know for how long that will last.

https://mullvad.net/en/chatcontrol

They keep trying:

https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/114279301331656579

Exodus shows 34 trackers for reverso on the Android app.How is this more private than any other translator?

If you want to escape surveillance you will have to cultivate offline organization that communicates via carrier pigeon.