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Garbage disposal is a huge industry in many parts of the world, giving employment to many people. It is also a cutting edge domain where abilities to recycle cost efficiently are needed for sustainability.

So this is unfortunately a classic example where culture, by defining (and limiting) what people think is important, influences also their economic condition.

But its not easy to instigate a culture of respect for the commons and appreciation for its smooth functioning. And implementing at scale garbage disposal, just like any other utility infrastructure, whether it is the post office, water or electricity requires further society "software" that is not trivial




You shouldn’t blame culture when investments on this front are lacking.

Local governments in India are perennially short on money and it’s they who are responsible for things like water supply, sanitation and garbage collection.

There are several joint venture garbage disposal companies operating in India. But only a few municipal corporations can afford to pay them.

And those few cities that do use these services rank well in cleanliness rankings


there is a catch-22 that must be broken somehow (with some initial outside injection of funds) but if people appreciate the service it enters a virtuous circle: the people working on garbage disposal get salaries, they consume more and pay taxes, the taxes support municipal services which pay the salaries and the loop is closing.

people tend to discount how strong this circular effect is in the economy and implicitly assume that money is found under a rock (or stolen) and is essentially finite. there is some truth to that the sense that if the products or services people want depend on scarce natural resources (e.g. oil) then this creates a constraint. but for large parts of the economy the potential resides in our brains.

not a specific blame at all as this applies everywhere, just to different degrees. think about art for example. we have only as much art as we think is important because all artists must live from the rest of us. but if people think its important and they somehow get paid, they contribute to general welfare with their own demands etc.

its by no means trivial to change attitudes and there can be many other events that can derail those positive loops. but the general principle is something that should be appreciated more because that is ultimately how all wealth is built.


> they consume more and pay taxes, the taxes support municipal services which pay the salaries

In India, neither income taxes nor consumption taxes go to the local municipalities. This fact makes the rest of your comment meaningless although positive loops can be created in other ways.

But my original point stands: Local governments need to increase their housing taxes and provide these services

There’s a pro-Poor policy bias in places that are actually rich and these places have very different expectations.




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