Well, I guess you got what you wanted? And why would you want me to discredit myself? Are you threatened by my opinion? If you are then how are you going to learn to think differently, and if you can't think differently how can we trust your conclusion? You're just confirming your biases, pal, but pretending you're "morally righteous". So boorish, so tired, and so....Pathetic.

But can you "deny" something if it's not true? Isn't that confirming the untruth?

But was I denying it?

I'm saying the Western propaganda is overblown but it looks like there's there's suppression going on. I just don't think it's an "atrocity", I think terrorism is the atrocity, and I think what China is doing is the correct path. But I guess you're an apologist for Xinjiang terrorists, huh, pal?

It looks like the only one who's discredited is you for shamelessly misrepresenting me here. If you misrepresent me here, what do you do with any news article; just twist it to fit your agenda? Why should anyone listen to such a shameless misrepresenter?

Anyway, if you claim the Western media is telling the truth, and it's not just your belief, prove it to me. Or don't you have the conviction? Thanks, pal. XD

But we all get to pick our side, right? So pick yours. Apologist for China cracking down on terrorists, or apologist for "Islamic" terrorism. I know where I stand. Do you? Hahah. This is too easy, pal. Whatugot?

Quick, you better invoke another persona. Looks like that one's gonna run outta steam.

> If you misrepresent me here, what do you do with any news article; just twist it to fit your agenda? Why should anyone listen to such a shameless misrepresenter?

You’re the one who’s twisting news articles to fit your agenda. Here’s what you’re doing: you’re denying firsthand accounts of the actual conditions inside the camps, and then you are turning around to justify what’s happening inside the camps.

Did China have a terrorism problem in the first place? Did Xinjiang terrorists hijack an airliner and fly it into a skyscraper in Shanghai? Of course not. Uighur “terrorism” is a lie that you are telling to justify atrocities at the very same time that you deny that those atrocities are happening in the first place.

Meanwhile you’re accusing me of not being open to dissenting views, such as...having a state-controlled media that doesn’t publish dissenting views. You’re accusing me of being unwilling to think differently while championing the cause of throwing “steppe people” into prison camps for the crime of being so stubborn that they think differently from the rest of China.

I’m not threatened by your opinion, because your opinion is an incoherent mess built on a foundation of lies. What I am threatened by is the geopolitical power of the liars, torturers, rapists, and mass murderers you are defending.

> I’m not threatened by your opinion, because your opinion is an incoherent mess built on a foundation of lies. What I am threatened by is the geopolitical power of the liars, torturers, rapists, and mass murderers you are defending.

That's a great line, and I know it looks like I'm defending liars, torturers, rapists and mass murderers. But in fact you're pretending to be against liars, torturers, rapists and mass murderers but you're actually defending the terrorists who do this and criticizing the law enforcement who is saving people from it.

You're pathetically projecting, because your opinion is the incoherent mess and the foundation of lies is all yours, pal. Which I think you know. My opinion is so much clearer than yours, I'm Pro China, Pro US and Pro Law. What are you for, again? Pro Terrorism? Pro Rape? Or was it Pro Disinfo? Your lack of belief in these issues shows, I can tell you're conflicted, but you have to keep pressing the message regardless. You really ought to get outta the business of lying for a living. Go back to trying to be a writer. Because you're literally not morally equipped to be trotting out this claptrap.

And, what's more, son, you're lying.

You falsely claim Xinjiang has no terrorism problem. At least you've exposed yourself as not just hysterical and shrill but also misinformed. Literally the first 3 results on Google: http://archive.is/TYTow http://archive.is/jCdNS and https://www.theglobalist.com/china-xinjiang-uighurs-extremis...

So it does seem you're suffering from a major case of confirmation bias complicated by shrill moralizing. This is particularly nasty to get rid of as you'll have to surrender your sense of superiority you get from vehemently pretending China is so wrong. It helps you cope with the anxiety about your own culture's stagnation and decay. I get it, but don't worry you can get professional help. Start by opening your eyes to learn from China about doing things that work to build a positive national identity and an inspiring pace of progress.

Main point is, so what does your moral outrage matter?

It looks like you got triggerd by seeing something positive about China, so you tried so hard to paint the page with everything negative. It's as if you're saying, "No one is allowed to like China because China bad", and then you invent reasons to pretend China is bad. What's convincing is you have a serious case of China envy and China hate. What's not convincing is your claim that "China bad". I still don't believe you, pal, you'll have to work harder to be convincing because you still haven't proved this is actually true. Points for effort, tho. I mean, you made a lot of effort. Shame it didn't pay off, huh, pal?

Are you sure it's not just your hysteria? Have you been duped by the Western media?

You're against China implementing and enforcing their law, that makes you a dissident and anti rule of law. You're also apologizing for terrorism while denying terrorism exists. This is just pathetic. I would have expected an American to be more against terrorists. What happened to make you soft on terror? Are you secretly a supporter?

Further, and this part will really blow your mind (trigger, mind blown warning ~~ make sure you're ready for it) I think you've fallen under the Communist Party's masterful disinformation spell like so many other useful foreign idiots. The CCP knows that foreigners love to hate on China, and love to preach and moralize. So the CCP uses this vulnerability (in fact the Haaretz interview was 1 ex detainee told to fabricate mistreatment claims and 1 undercover security operative handler also posing as a detainee, and the "Cables" is another disinfo product from Chinese information agents), deliberately spinning some disinfo. It plays you like a cat drawn by a laser. It plays you by getting you to look.

Of course, you're too abhorrently dull to understand why the CCP would want to pretend it's doing bad stuff ( just like you won't immediately understand why the CCP wants the unrest in HK, and even wants HK to become more democratic (pro tip: it's not for the sake of democracy)). But I'll explain it to ya, dun worry.

30% of the reason is distraction. Controlled opposition. 65% of the reason is because playing from a self-created straw man position gives them "out of thin air" leverage.

So China gets to make the narrative all about human rights (which is easy, because they know Westerners love to hate on China about 'human rights', so they just play into this Western vulnerability/bias) but actually it's not violating any human rights, and so by creating this public outrage (even if Western officials know it's disinfo) Western officials are forced to act (punished for cultivating their population's China hatred) as the populace goes rabid trying to outdo each other to condemn the "evil Chinese". Just as you, son, have done. Great work!

Now when the world thinks China is abusing human rights but it's not, China can magically provide the fix. When deal terms hinge on leverage, China can provide "generous concessions" and promise to "do better". Or it can cultivate domestic fire against the West by pointing out how much the Western media is fake news against China. Or it can use it to make Western politicians dance to its tune, and at the same time break their credibility. (Personally, I don't want to see conflict between the West and China, but I see China is masterful at defending itself, and I admire its skill, and ability to use the Western "moral supremacism" complex against itself).

Seriously, can you not see what's happening? I like both places, so I blush to see China pulling the USA's strings so readily here, but China had a huge win in terms of disinfo and narrative control recently: they convinced 427 senators to vote in their favor, and they've got the whole world, include Secretary of State, talking about human rights abuses in China. And most people are convinced this is absolutely what China does not want. They're wrong. This is China's game, and you've all fallen for it. But by doing so, you're helping China. So I thank you, because I think China ought to be helped and supported. But I'm also kind of embarrassed they duped you all so easily. I mean, WTF? I guess after years of being bashed this way and that by your own news media into a constant state of conflict and confusion, none of yall can't just think straight, huh?

Just like after Tiananmen, China scored a massive coup of WTO entry only 11 years later. Shouldn't the world have ostracised them for such an "atrocity"? Sorry, it doesn't work like that pal. They can control the narrative and use it to say, "look, we've reformed, we adopt your values now, so you have to let us in".

Seriously, I'm not just advocating supporting China because I believe in the China experiment (as a good balance to the US experiment). I'm advocating supporting China because I like the West, and China will fuck the West up if the West keeps fucking with it. Just like it is already doing, but you're all too dumb to see it. Stop fighting them, and work to create a better world together. They're using your desire for conflict and competition against you, and it looks to me like you're gonna wake up to that fact too late. Learn from them, stop hanging onto past glory, don't be like the Brits, ok?