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"Don't waste your time, he's a troll that pops up on every thread that has anything to do with things like docker or k8s."

Thank you for an off-topic opinion. Yes, I do "pop up" on every Kubernetes and Docker topic because both are nothing but hype and bullshit (this topic with "no thanks" is a rare exception, and I wholeheartedly agree with the author of it, even though I vehemently disagree with some of his methods). What the hell do I need an "orchestrator" like Kubernetes for if all my components are packaged and I have a software deployment server where I can mass deploy to all my systems at will? (Hint: I don't.) Kubernetes is a solution to a string of bad decisions, making the situation even worse.

And Kubernetes is nothing but a provisioning solution. If you think Kubernetes is an orchestrator, you've never seen one. Nolio is an orchestrator.

So what if Joyent has Kubernetes support? Joyent isn't infallible, just because they make SmartOS that doesn't make them right in everything. It's not like they can do no wrong. Let's refrain from fanboyism; being Joyent doesn't automatically make them right in everything they do.




The personal attack wasn't ok, but please don't "pop up" on every thread to say predictable things. Pre-existing agendas are tedious, and tedium is what we all come here to avoid.


If we're here to avoid pre-existing agendas, then Docker and Kubernetes promotional articles tick every box on the "tedious" agenda.

The best part is, the article is about "no thanks" to Kubernetes, which I wholeheartedly agree with and have stuck to commenting relevantly to the topic, backed up by plenty of citations.


Perhaps those articles are tedious, but that's changing the subject. The point is that users who show up to grind the same axe in thread after thread are lowering the signal/noise ratio of the site, so we moderate them, and ban them if they won't stop.


It's not so much an axe to grind as it is a fight for better working conditions. If you had to go look for a job, and all everbody ran is this shitty Kubernetes and Docker, how would you feel being forced to work with that when you knew something better is available, but you couldn't find a job using it because everyone runs Linux, Docker and Kubernetes, because they don't know any better? How would you raise awareness about better alternatives with the goal of creating better working conditions and better jobs?


I mentioned our talk to my coworker, his immediate response was "does he work for Oracle?"

I'm only half seriously asking but, do you? (Given the certifications you mentioned, I think that even if you don't, there is a vague subjective case that you do...)


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I apologise, I thought that was a fair question and civil...

The missing context from another comment was:

> ... amount of institutional inertia I've come up against while trying to get any part of our Development or Production stack shifted over to Kubernetes, which I consider myself fairly expert in, I think you'd understand that "containers on Solaris" is not going to go over any better for me than containers on GNU/Linux,

Both SmartOS and GNU/Linux are open platforms, so it really wasn't fair of me to accuse a person of shilling for Oracle. I think I understand.

(That wasn't my intention, but if you read it that way, that's my mistake.)


You didn't accuse me of working for Oracle; your coworker implied it, but it also shows how little she or he is versed in the subject matter: the very reason top Solaris kernel engineers work at Joyent is that they vehemently oppose the Oracle corporation; it's that same reason why OpenSolaris was forked into illumos, from which SmartOS is built. Please let your coworker know my answer.


That is the answer I was looking for. And also shows what I know, as I just learned that SmartOS is not the same as OpenSolaris. (Thanks!)

> I‘m against object oriented programming.

I just went back and read your profile again. Just wondering, what do you support instead? (At a guess I'd say functional programming?)

I've often heard and suspected for myself after gaining some "industry experience" that the Object-Oriented principles taken by themselves without a strong lead designer who is vocal about (his or her) strong opinions and willing to call out bloated, poorly thought-out designs... will simply tend toward generating a Big Ball of Mud, or "Shanty-town" code.

Is this generally how you feel about the subject? I think we'd probably get along well and I'd certainly like to hear from you again.


I'm against object oriented programming because the code written in that way is needlessly complex and unmaintainable. Experience taught me that procedural, respectively the functional approach produce code which is easy to understand and therefore debug and maintain.


I am in no way affiliated with either Oracle or Joyent. I have never worked for or at either of those companies.


> he doesn't have the slightest clue what k8s does, but is completely certain that smartos somehow does "the same thing" better.

I stand by this statement. You don't have any idea what k8s does.

If you actually cared about convincing people that you don't need k8s and smartos is better, you'd write your own article describing in detail how you can easily use smartos for running personal projects on a 3 node cluster. Put up or shut up. YOU are nothing but hype.


"If you actually cared about convincing people that you don't need k8s and smartos is better, you'd write your own article describing in detail how you can easily use smartos for running personal projects on a 3 node cluster."

How about you read the documentation, where it's already documented? You know, that thing called manual pages? On illumos-based operating systems we have manual pages which are actually useful. With detailed examples in the EXAMPLES section! And lots of them! So, how about you "warm up the chair" and read some docs for a change? Thanks. If you need some pointers, I can help you where to start.

"Put up or shut up."

You or anyone else may not tell me what to do, nor will I listen to you unless I feel like it. Which I don't.




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